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What next, the Phial?  ;)

Oph course, sometimes we have to them to get things to phit better. — Dan Listermann Check out our E-tail site at www.listermann.com Free shipping for orders greater than $35 and East of the Mighty Miss. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had my well water tested and got talking to a guy at the lab who told me about the vials.  I have no idea where to get them. You gotta check this out: http://www.reallabware.com/tintometerltd/water/lovibond2000.shtml – Bill Success lies in achieving the top of the food chain. — Jubal Harshaw, 1904- I use that *exact* image. The best way of determining color is to purchase a kit with clear vials filled with colored water, and compare with a vial of your brew. Of course using an online image is free, and I have much better things to spend $75.00 on than a bunch of vials filled with colored water Do you know who sells these kits? — Dan Listermann Check out our E-tail site at www.listermann.com Free shipping for orders greater than $35 and East of the Mighty Miss. – Bill Success lies in achieving the top of the food chain. — Jubal Harshaw, 1904- Here is one. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/wrucksterpage/color.htm I’m using promash to formulate a recipe for a beer I’m going to attempt… is there any website that has examples of color? Promash is giving me the estimated SRM color of the beer, but that number means nothing to me… any online examples?

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I believe the article was from George Fix. If I’m not mistaken, he includes this info in his book on Vienna lagers from the AHA style series.

I just bought "Designing Great Beers" and it is also in that. as well as some discussions on why the system doesn’t work for every dark beer, etc. — Captain Rotundo * rot-13 to email alt.games.mame FAQ: http://www.tombstones.org.uk/~faq/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Today everything is faster, smaller, cheaper and better but from what my old buddies tell me, the monitors still suck and have to be individually calibrated. Yes, individually calibrated, but there are utilites to do that if the reference standard is known. Here’s one example: http://pages.prodigy.net/ecmorris/tips/monitor.htm and another http://africafocus.library.wisc.edu/visualcheck.html But the key is the ability to describe the original mapping of SRM to Pantone (which would remain constant) and let the monitors or direct retinal imaging systems (for the geeks) improve. bob.

Very cute. I’ll try it out on my kids monitors later. Doesn’t do squat for color though. Our system used several thousand known inputs and had feedback from the measuring device to adjust the color on the screen. Hardware algorithms interpolated the points in between. Today memory is so cheap that they don’t use interpolation. Some monitors were so non-linear that the interpolation check failed. Field service techs would usually have a known good monitor with them to replace the dog if necessary. They would recalibrate the known good monitor. Medford, NY swap net.optonline to reply via e-mail

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Today everything is faster, smaller, cheaper and better but from what my old buddies tell me, the monitors still suck and have to be individually calibrated.

Yes, individually calibrated, but there are utilites to do that if the reference standard is known. Here’s one example: http://pages.prodigy.net/ecmorris/tips/monitor.htm and another http://africafocus.library.wisc.edu/visualcheck.html But the key is the ability to describe the original mapping of SRM to Pantone (which would remain constant) and let the monitors or direct retinal imaging systems (for the geeks) improve. bob.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’d love it if someone (perhaps with a vial kit) could express the colors into Pantone colors. Pantone colors are unioversal, and have color correction capabilities build into many graphics packages. If your monitor is out of adjustment (color, contrast, or brightness) then the image at wrucksterpage won’t give true information. this has been addressed before: http://hbd.org/hbd/archive/2644.html#2644-2 bob. Pantone, or really any other process color model, would be nice…I have a cheapo colorimeter, but it’s not really good enough for this; the bandpass is too great.  It’s really more for absorbtion measurment of liquids (think el cheapo spectrophotometer). But Corel Draw, and presumeably other graphics packages, comes with a color test chart that you scan, and through a somewhat complicated calibration process, can calibrate your monitor, scanner and printer. But that’s about the only way you can get accurate color renderings from a basic computer, unless you got a few thousand for a graphics colorimeter. Regards, Mike Sharp

Chance of getting an accurate representation on a home computer are slim to none. I spent 8 years designing electronics for a color pre-press company and color monitors were one of our biggest problems. At first we used a $5k (our cost) monitor with our equipment. The company that made the tubes for us decided the market wasn’t large enough and stopped manufacturing them. We switch to commercial monitors. We enlarged the final look up tables. the analog engineers designed a colorimeter which attached to the screen with a suction cup and the software people came up with calibration software. The compensation tables were stored on a floppy for each monitor. The calibration took place at a customer site because shipping vibration caused color changes in the monitor. In fact we advised customers to schedule a re-calibration if they planned on moving the equipment. I guess it’s all worth it on a system that cost about a million bucks. Today everything is faster, smaller, cheaper and better but from what my old buddies tell me, the monitors still suck and have to be individually calibrated. Medford, NY swap net.optonline to reply via e-mail

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I’d love it if someone (perhaps with a vial kit) could express the colors into Pantone colors. Pantone colors are unioversal, and have color correction capabilities build into many graphics packages. If your monitor is out of adjustment (color, contrast, or brightness) then the image at wrucksterpage won’t give true information. this has been addressed before: http://hbd.org/hbd/archive/2644.html#2644-2 bob.

Pantone, or really any other process color model, would be nice…I have a cheapo colorimeter, but it’s not really good enough for this; the bandpass is too great.  It’s really more for absorbtion measurment of liquids (think el cheapo spectrophotometer). But Corel Draw, and presumeably other graphics packages, comes with a color test chart that you scan, and through a somewhat complicated calibration process, can calibrate your monitor, scanner and printer. But that’s about the only way you can get accurate color renderings from a basic computer, unless you got a few thousand for a graphics colorimeter. Regards, Mike Sharp

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Didn’t someone once sell a very nice poster that had examples of the full SRM spectrum? Viewed in the proper light, I would think this would be accurate enough for most, not to mention a cool poster to have on your wall. : ) Guy  

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I’d love it if someone (perhaps with a vial kit) could express the colors into Pantone colors. Pantone colors are unioversal, and have color correction capabilities build into many graphics packages. If your monitor is out of adjustment (color, contrast, or brightness) then the image at wrucksterpage won’t give true information. this has been addressed before: http://hbd.org/hbd/archive/2644.html#2644-2 bob. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here is one. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/wrucksterpage/color.htm I’m using promash to formulate a recipe for a beer I’m going to attempt… is there any website that has examples of color? Promash is giving me the estimated SRM color of the beer, but that number means nothing to me… any online examples?

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Around mid 1994, zymurgy (i believe) had an article on guaging  the color of the beer by comparing it to Michelob dark (of all things) for various dilutions. Sorry, I cant find the exact reference.

I believe the article was from George Fix. If I’m not mistaken, he includes this info in his book on Vienna lagers from the AHA style series. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -steven I’m using promash to formulate a recipe for a beer I’m going to attempt… is there any website that has examples of color? Promash is giving me the estimated SRM color of the beer, but that number means nothing to me… any online examples?

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Here is one. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/wrucksterpage/color.htm

Recipator displays a color chip of the predicted value. I believe StrangeBrew does this also. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m using promash to formulate a recipe for a beer I’m going to attempt… is there any website that has examples of color? Promash is giving me the estimated SRM color of the beer, but that number means nothing to me… any online examples?

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I note from your HBD link that www.hoptech.com has a "Homebrew Color Guide". Looks like a laminated chart of some kind. Bill

I’d love it if someone (perhaps with a vial kit) could express the colors into Pantone colors. Pantone colors are unioversal, and have color correction capabilities build into many graphics packages. If your monitor is out of adjustment (color, contrast, or brightness) then the image at wrucksterpage won’t give true information. this has been addressed before:

http://hbd.org/hbd/archive/2644.html#2644-2 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – bob. Here is one. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/wrucksterpage/color.htm I’m using promash to formulate a recipe for a beer I’m going to attempt… is there any website that has examples of color? Promash is giving me the estimated SRM color of the beer, but that number means nothing to me… any online examples?

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What next, the Phial?  ;) I had my well water tested and got talking to a guy at the lab who told me about the vials.  I have no idea where to get them. You gotta check this out: http://www.reallabware.com/tintometerltd/water/lovibond2000.shtml – Bill Success lies in achieving the top of the food chain. — Jubal Harshaw, 1904-

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I use that *exact* image. The best way of determining color is to purchase a kit with clear vials filled with colored water, and compare with a vial of your brew. Of course using an online image is free, and I have much better things to spend $75.00 on than a bunch of vials filled with colored water Do you know who sells these kits? — Dan Listermann Check out our E-tail site at www.listermann.com Free shipping for orders greater than $35 and East of the Mighty Miss. – Bill Success lies in achieving the top of the food chain. — Jubal Harshaw, 1904- Here is one. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/wrucksterpage/color.htm I’m using promash to formulate a recipe for a beer I’m going to attempt… is there any website that has examples of color? Promash is giving me the estimated SRM color of the beer, but that number means nothing to me… any online examples?

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I’m using promash to formulate a recipe for a beer I’m going to attempt… is there any website that has examples of color? Promash is giving me the estimated SRM color of the beer, but that number means nothing to me… any online examples?

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Here is one. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/wrucksterpage/color.htm

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m using promash to formulate a recipe for a beer I’m going to attempt… is there any website that has examples of color? Promash is giving me the estimated SRM color of the beer, but that number means nothing to me… any online examples?

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I use that *exact* image. The thing you need to be aware of is that the perceived color of beer will change depending on the diameter of the container it is in, and the light source behind it.  Beer will appear lighter in a mug than in a carboy.  The best way of determining color is to purchase a kit with clear vials filled with colored water, and compare with a vial of your brew. Of course using an online image is free, and I have much better things to spend $75.00 on than a bunch of vials filled with colored water – Bill Success lies in achieving the top of the food chain. — Jubal Harshaw, 1904-

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here is one. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/wrucksterpage/color.htm I’m using promash to formulate a recipe for a beer I’m going to attempt… is there any website that has examples of color? Promash is giving me the estimated SRM color of the beer, but that number means nothing to me… any online examples?

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I use that *exact* image. The thing you need to be aware of is that the perceived color of beer will change depending on the diameter of the container it is in, and the light source behind it.  Beer will appear lighter in a mug than in a carboy.  The best way of determining color is to purchase a kit with clear vials filled with colored water, and compare with a vial of your brew. Of course using an online image is free, and I have much better things to spend $75.00 on than a bunch of vials filled with colored water

Good enough… just want to know that if Promash says it’ll be 17.5, what the heck color that is

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I use that *exact* image. The best way of determining color is to purchase a kit with clear vials filled with colored water, and compare with a vial of your brew. Of course using an online image is free, and I have much better things to spend $75.00 on than a bunch of vials filled with colored water

Do you know who sells these kits? — Dan Listermann Check out our E-tail site at www.listermann.com Free shipping for orders greater than $35 and East of the Mighty Miss. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – - Bill Success lies in achieving the top of the food chain. — Jubal Harshaw, 1904- Here is one. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/wrucksterpage/color.htm I’m using promash to formulate a recipe for a beer I’m going to attempt… is there any website that has examples of color? Promash is giving me the estimated SRM color of the beer, but that number means nothing to me… any online examples?

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Around mid 1994, zymurgy (i believe) had an article on guaging  the color of the beer by comparing it to Michelob dark (of all things) for various dilutions. Sorry, I cant find the exact reference. steven

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m using promash to formulate a recipe for a beer I’m going to attempt… is there any website that has examples of color? Promash is giving me the estimated SRM color of the beer, but that number means nothing to me… any online examples?

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Around mid 1994, zymurgy (i believe) had an article on guaging  the color of the beer by comparing it to Michelob dark (of all things) for various dilutions.

It was chosen because it was supposed to be easily available.  Its color was 17 SRM.  Is it still available? — Dan Listermann Check out our E-tail site at www.listermann.com Free shipping for orders greater than $35 and East of the Mighty Miss. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sorry, I cant find the exact reference. steven I’m using promash to formulate a recipe for a beer I’m going to attempt… is there any website that has examples of color? Promash is giving me the estimated SRM color of the beer, but that number means nothing to me… any online examples?

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Around mid 1994, zymurgy (i believe) had an article on guaging  the color of the beer by comparing it to Michelob dark (of all things) for various dilutions. It was chosen because it was supposed to be easily available.  Its color was 17 SRM.  Is it still available?

Do a google search for ‘beer SRM example’ and you’ll find the page… dont have the link, but I read a webpage written about that Mich Dark test/method. It involved diluting the michelob dark with water, and matching it to your beer, depending on the amount of water you used, it’d tell you the SRM.

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I use that *exact* image. The best way of determining color is to purchase a kit with clear vials filled with colored water, and compare with a vial of your brew. Of course using an online image is free, and I have much better things to spend $75.00 on than a bunch of vials filled with colored water Do you know who sells these kits?

I will if you’ll pay $75

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