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Geez, Lighten up!  If someone comes to this newsgroup asking a question like that, they’re sure to get a few hecklers in their responses. And just FYI, I was not the one who posed the suggesion to add water to Sam Adams.  I just thought that was a funny reply. Remember the first word, in the homebrewer’s credo, "RELAX", don’t worry, have a homebrew. You guys need to relax more, and learn to take a joke. — Brew on! Michael Dieterle Brewmaster Biohazard Brewing Co. www.biohazardbrewing.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You know, sometimes if one doesn’t have an answer it not necessarily demonstrates superiority in ridiculing the question or indirectly making fun of the one who asked. Kind of odd behavior in a group like this where everybody seems to be very helpful and takes others seriously. Good Answer, dobblebe!!!!  That’s about what it’d take to make piss-water like that! — Brew on! Michael Dieterle Brewmaster Biohazard Brewing Co. www.biohazardbrewing.com Anybody out there have a recipe for a clone of Coors Take a bottle of Sam Adams and add three cups of water to it. — Phil visit the New York City Homebrewers Guild website: http://www.pipeline.com/~dogglebe/nychg.html

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Anybody out there have a recipe for a clone of Coors

Dear jamesw, It makes me sad to see the way you have been treated in this newsgroup, and I would like to apologize for it. Your very first post to the group was about the possibility of cloning the beer that you like, and I find it a perfectly sensible question. I had the same approach when I started brewing – and I also like light lagers, by the way. It is plain wrong what some guys have claimed here – that we are all brewing because we want another kind of beer than we can buy in the shop. For my own part, I started because I found the hobby interesting, and for tax reasons (I live in Norway). What I would recommend for you is first to go to www.howtobrew.com to learn the basics of brewing – it’s a free online book. Then, if you are still interested, get the required equipment from a homebrew shop. I bet there is one near you. Brew a pale ale for your first try – it is not quite what you want, but it’s easy to succeed with it, and you get familiar with technique. Get a pre-hopped kit in the shop if you want to go easy for the first time, but toss out the instructions and use these instead: http://www.bodensatz.com/homebrew/kits.html Then try to create a basic bohemian-style pilsner – this is the ancestor of all light lager beers, including Coors I bet. Be sure to keep the temperatures down – you want a clean crisp taste, so you must ferment at 50F. And be careful with the hops – don’t use much for your first batches. If you can manage this, you can come closer to the familiar taste of your old favourite for your next batch, by using some rice syrup, I guess. You can have a lot of fun trying to approach a particular taste, and there is even a book called "Clone brews" that may interest you at that stage. The great thing is that even if you don’t achieve exactly what you want, you’ll brew and drink a lot of good beer anyway. Somewhere along this process you are likely to forget about your original aim of cloning, and start enjoying the endless possibilities in brewing. But don’t listen to all those guys that boast about their advanced and developed and expensive tastes. I still brew various light lagers, I am proud of my brews, and friends keep popping in to envy my kegs and throw back some. I wish you luck with your new hobby! Regards, Svein Olav Mytting Oslo

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 I guess I don’t get it. Im sure that some people don’t like Guinness ( myself included) but I see no sarcastic responses to a request for a recipe. James likes Coors so what. I don’t and you don’t but this is not a an opinion forum it’s a news group dedicated to help others, or at least that’s what I thought. And what’s up with the WE thing? Are you the Lord of the Flies here? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Getting clone recipes can some times be painful here. Not that it should, this news group is for helping people out with their brewing questions whether it be all grain ,canned ,clone ,ect.  I guess some don’t get it. As for your question , I haven’t a clue, but there are many books that have hundreds of clone beer recipes. Do a web search for "beer clones" and see what you get. good luck It’s not a problem that he asked for a clone recipe, but that he asked for a Coors clone.  We get it; he doesn’t.  We homebrew because we want a better beer.  I doubt you’ll find a homebrewer who hasn’t tried less than a hundred different beers.  We’re selective about what we drink; James isn’t. And judging by his response to our responses, he’s probably too young to buy homebrew supplies. Go Giants!! — Phil visit the New York City Homebrewers Guild website: http://www.pipeline.com/~dogglebe/nychg.html

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I am not locked into Coors light -that’s the best beer that is available to me. Miller sucks and the rest of the beers at the grocery store suck bigger.I don’t like all of the brown nosing fad beers that the "in" people drink. An  ice chest in the garage full of ice  and silver bullets with a football game on is all of the ambiance I need.I thought that brewing my own beer would be a hobby that would be fun-brewing the beer that you like would be even funnier.If there is a beer that you think taste better – let me know  Jim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Getting clone recipes can some times be painful here. Not that it should, this news group is for helping people out with their brewing questions whether it be all grain ,canned ,clone ,ect.  I guess some don’t get it. As for your question , I haven’t a clue, but there are many books that have hundreds of clone beer recipes. Do a web search for "beer clones" and see what you get. good luck It’s not a problem that he asked for a clone recipe, but that he asked for a Coors clone.  We get it; he doesn’t.  We homebrew because we want a better beer.  I doubt you’ll find a homebrewer who hasn’t tried less than a hundred different beers.  We’re selective about what we drink; James isn’t. And judging by his response to our responses, he’s probably too young to buy homebrew supplies. Go Giants!! — Phil visit the New York City Homebrewers Guild website: http://www.pipeline.com/~dogglebe/nychg.html

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Most homebrewers don’t have the quality control necessary to brew budmilloors and don’t want to brew this type of beer. That being said, try this: 5# alexanders ultra lite extract 2# rice syrup 1/2 oz. perle hops 8% alpha 40 min. 1/4 oz. saaz hops 5 min.  2 pkt Danstar Nottingham yeast. ferment at 65 – 70 degrees. Serve cold. This should make a light colored ale with about 5% alcohol at 14 IBU’s.  You can get the ingredients at www.morebeer.com (NAYY). I haven’t done extract for awhile but this is a toned down version of my summer sleeper. I use 7#  alexanders and 2.5# rice syrup and more hops. About 7% alcohol. Of course, when your friends ask how much alcohol? Tell them 5.27%. It makes them think you know what your talking about. Do some reading before you decide to do this and read this group. You will make a good beer to start out with and you’ll get into your own groove. BTW who are the raiders? Synchronized brewers? Colin T Anybody out there have a recipe for a clone of Coors

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I am not locked into Coors light -that’s the best beer that is available

Let’s get something straight: Are we talking about Coors or Coors Light? Regular Coors is my fallback, so I was hoping to get a good answer to this question.  Coors Light is the most vile piss-water west of the Mississippi. Thanks to Mike, I’m going to give a Coors clone a try.  BTW, if the guy is underage, what’s the big deal?  I wish I would have known about homebrewing when I was 16, i wouldn’t had to have suffered 5 years of Busch Light hangovers!  :) brian — Sr. Engineer – Symantec Corporation – http://www.symantec.com

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How much water do you add to make Zima??? ;0)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m sure if he asked for a Heineken clone he would have recipe by now.Maybe someone should give him a light lager recipe and let give it a try? Take a bottle of Sam Adams, add three of water to it and leave it in the sun for a few hours. — Phil visit the New York City Homebrewers Guild website: http://www.pipeline.com/~dogglebe/nychg.html

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Anybody out there have a recipe for a clone of Coors

James, Like most of the others around here I’m not a fan of American light lager (which is what Coors is). But unlike some of the other posts, I don’t brew because I can make better beer than what’s available. There’s plenty of commercially available beers nowadays that I’d be happy to drink. I brew just because I enjoy it. You should be able to brew whatever you like without getting harassed for it. Having said that, I also don’t believe that a new homebrewer like yourself will be able to duplicate anything remotely close to it. Light lagers are one of the most difficult styles to brew because they have so little malt and hop characteristics to cover up any fermentation flaws. Lagers should be avoided by first time brewers because they require temperature control and precise techniques. Are there any light ales you like? You should start there and then work your way up to the more difficult styles. As for ‘brown nose fad beers’, I think you’ve got that backwards. American light lagers are the relatively new fad. The beers that most of us enjoy are based on older styles that have been around for hundreds of years.

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Get off yer high horse, dogglebe.  If someone wants to know how to brew *any* beer, we should be helpful and not chase him away from the hobby. What you call "better beer" is really a matter of taste, isn’t it?  The American Light Lager is a distinct style and, when done right, can be a damn good beer (just not one of my personal favorites).  So if someone enjoys it and wants to know how to brew one, who are you to tell him to piss off?  I understand your first post was a joke (it got a chuckle out of me), but your subsequent posts are a little harsh.   Maybe if someone posted a decent American Light Lager recipe (I don’t have one that I’ve tried), maybe the guy could brew a beer that he likes *more* than Coors and it might make him try some other styles beyond that. OK, I zipped over to The Brewery and came back with these links and summaries: http://brewery.org/brewery/gambmug/recs/259.shtml 3.3 lbs. Northern Brewer Malt Syrup boil 2.2 lbs. Rice Syrup                 boil 1/2 oz. Perle Pellets 8.4%          bittering 1/4 oz. Crystal Pellets 3.7%        bittering 1/4 oz. Crystal Pellets 3.7%        flavor Irish Moss                          fining Polyclar                            fining Heading Agent                       ? YeastLabs American Lager Yeast Amylase Enzyme 3/4 Corn Sugar, priming http://brewery.org/gambmug/recs/426.shtml 12 oz. Pale Ale Malt           steep 6.5 Pounds Ex Light DME        boil 1 oz Centennial hop pellets    bittering 1/2 oz Kent Goldings hops      flavor 1 oz Cascade leaf hops         aroma 1/2 teaspoon Irish moss Wyeast # 2112 California lager One 1/2 oz. Libery hop plug    dry(!) 3/4 cup corn sugar Prost! Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Getting clone recipes can some times be painful here. Not that it should, this news group is for helping people out with their brewing questions whether it be all grain ,canned ,clone ,ect.  I guess some don’t get it. As for your question , I haven’t a clue, but there are many books that have hundreds of clone beer recipes. Do a web search for "beer clones" and see what you get. good luck It’s not a problem that he asked for a clone recipe, but that he asked for a Coors clone.  We get it; he doesn’t.  We homebrew because we want a better beer.  I doubt you’ll find a homebrewer who hasn’t tried less than a hundred different beers.  We’re selective about what we drink; James isn’t. And judging by his response to our responses, he’s probably too young to buy homebrew supplies. Go Giants!! — Phil visit the New York City Homebrewers Guild website: http://www.pipeline.com/~dogglebe/nychg.html

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snip< I don’t like all of the brown nosing fad beers that the "in" people drink. snip<

Just how does a fad beer brown nose?  :P Burp, -Dan

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I am not locked into Coors light -that’s the best beer that is available to me. Miller sucks and the rest of the beers at the grocery store suck bigger.I don’t like all of the brown nosing fad beers that the "in" people drink. An  ice chest in the garage full of ice  and silver bullets with a football game on is all of the ambiance I need.I thought that brewing my own beer would be a hobby that would be fun-brewing the beer that you like would be even funnier.If there is a beer that you think taste better – let me know Jim

Better beer than Coors…Hmmm….Make a list of all the beers in the world, and remove most american lagers such as Bud,Millers,Coors,Old Milwalkee, Milwalkee’s Best, Busch, etc. and you will have your answer. You see, the light lagers are for people that either don’t really like beer, or just want something light and tasteless as possible to get drunk on. I’ll be the first to admit that it’s hard to get drunk on heavy beers, unless perhaps it’s pushing 10% alcohol. — Drink beer, not Bud!

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I’m sure if he asked for a Heineken clone he would have recipe by now.Maybe someone should give him a light lager recipe and let give it a try?

Take a bottle of Sam Adams, add three of water to it and leave it in the sun for a few hours. — Phil visit the New York City Homebrewers Guild website: http://www.pipeline.com/~dogglebe/nychg.html

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I am not locked into Coors light -that’s the best beer that is available to me. Miller sucks and the rest of the beers at the grocery store suck bigger.

I strongly recommend that you look elsewhere for your beers.  Visit http://www.pubcrawler.com and find some local beer bars and microbreweries.  Then go find some beer distributors that you normally don’t go to and ask for the belgian, german and english beers. I don’t like all of the brown nosing fad beers that the "in" people drink.

I don’t know what your definition of ‘fad beer’ is, but I hope you’re not confusing it with the higher quality beers that are available.  The better beers simply cost more.  Whether the ‘in people’ drink these beers to look good, or because they like them shouldn’t be a deciding factor whether or not you drink them. I thought that brewing my own beer would be a hobby that would be fun-brewing the beer that you like would be even funnier.

Learning to homebrew so you can make something like Coors is like going to Paris to learn cooking just so you can make your own Twinkees.  Even the mostbeginner of beginners will make a better beer than Coors the first time around. If there is a beer that you think taste better – let me know.

A beer that taste better?  How much time do you have?  There are literally thousands that are better.  Literally! The reason why people continue drinking Bud and Coors and Miller after they’re twenty-one is because they’ve grown accustomed to it.  They fall for the hype from Superbowl commercials and think that this is what beer is supposed to taste like. Before you consider brewing your own, pick up a Michael Jackson beer book and go hunt down some of the beers that he reviews.  If you think Coors is the best there is, you won’t enjoy homebrewing. — Phil visit the New York City Homebrewers Guild website: http://www.pipeline.com/~dogglebe/nychg.html

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It’s not a problem that he asked for a clone recipe, but that he asked for a Coors clone.  We get it; he doesn’t.  We homebrew because we want a better beer.  I doubt you’ll find a homebrewer who hasn’t tried less than a hundred different beers.  We’re selective about what we drink; James isn’t. And judging by his response to our responses, he’s probably too young to buy homebrew supplies. Go Giants!!

I’m sure if he asked for a Heineken clone he would have recipe by now.Maybe someone should give him a light lager recipe and let give it a try? Brian

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 Getting clone recipes can some times be painful here. Not that it should, this news group is for helping people out with their brewing questions whether it be all grain ,canned ,clone ,ect.  I guess some don’t get it. As for your question , I haven’t a clue, but there are many books that have hundreds of clone beer recipes. Do a web search for "beer clones" and see what you get. good

luck It’s not a problem that he asked for a clone recipe, but that he asked for a Coors clone.  We get it; he doesn’t.  We homebrew because we want a better beer.  I doubt you’ll find a homebrewer who hasn’t tried less than a hundred different beers.  We’re selective about what we drink; James isn’t. And judging by his response to our responses, he’s probably too young to buy homebrew supplies. Go Giants!! — Phil visit the New York City Homebrewers Guild website: http://www.pipeline.com/~dogglebe/nychg.html

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You know, sometimes if one doesn’t have an answer it not necessarily demonstrates superiority in ridiculing the question or indirectly making fun of the one who asked.

You mean that was a serious post?  I thought it was just a troll. The reason why we became homebrewers is to escape such crappy beers like Coors. — Phil visit the New York City Homebrewers Guild website: http://www.pipeline.com/~dogglebe/nychg.html

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James,  Getting clone recipes can some times be painful here. Not that it should, this news group is for helping people out with their brewing questions whether it be all grain ,canned ,clone ,ect.  I guess some don’t get it. As for your question , I haven’t a clue, but there are many books that have hundreds of clone beer recipes. Do a web search for "beer clones" and see what you get. good luck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – you know what -fuck all of you ass holes – I hope the radiers kick  the shit out of the giants this super bowl and the beer we all will be drinking will be Coors light !! Anybody out there have a recipe for a clone of Coors

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you know what -fuck all of you ass holes – I hope the radiers kick  the shit out of the giants this super bowl and the beer we all will be drinking will be Coors light !!

Maybe it is time for you to switch to Coors de-caff….. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anybody out there have a recipe for a clone of Coors

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you know what -fuck all of you ass holes – I hope the radiers kick  the shit out of the giants this super bowl and the beer we all will be drinking will be Coors light !!

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Is that what it takes to make Coors? Add some more water and a skunk and you have Corona. Great idea. Eddie V. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anybody out there have a recipe for a clone of Coors Take a bottle of Sam Adams and add three cups of water to it. — Phil visit the New York City Homebrewers Guild website: http://www.pipeline.com/~dogglebe/nychg.html

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You know, sometimes if one doesn’t have an answer it not necessary to reply.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You know, sometimes if one doesn’t have an answer it not necessarily demonstrates superiority in ridiculing the question or indirectly making fun of the one who asked. Kind of odd behavior in a group like this where everybody seems to be very helpful and takes others seriously. Good Answer, dobblebe!!!!  That’s about what it’d take to make piss-water like that! — Brew on! Michael Dieterle Brewmaster Biohazard Brewing Co. www.biohazardbrewing.com Anybody out there have a recipe for a clone of Coors Take a bottle of Sam Adams and add three cups of water to it. — Phil visit the New York City Homebrewers Guild website: http://www.pipeline.com/~dogglebe/nychg.html

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You know, sometimes if one doesn’t have an answer it not necessarily demonstrates superiority in ridiculing the question or indirectly making fun of the one who asked. Kind of odd behavior in a group like this where everybody seems to be very helpful and takes others seriously.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Good Answer, dobblebe!!!!  That’s about what it’d take to make piss-water like that! — Brew on! Michael Dieterle Brewmaster Biohazard Brewing Co. www.biohazardbrewing.com Anybody out there have a recipe for a clone of Coors Take a bottle of Sam Adams and add three cups of water to it. — Phil visit the New York City Homebrewers Guild website: http://www.pipeline.com/~dogglebe/nychg.html

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Good Answer, dobblebe!!!!  That’s about what it’d take to make piss-water like that! — Brew on! Michael Dieterle Brewmaster Biohazard Brewing Co. www.biohazardbrewing.com

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Anybody out there have a recipe for a clone of Coors

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Anybody out there have a recipe for a clone of Coors

Take a bottle of Sam Adams and add three cups of water to it. — Phil visit the New York City Homebrewers Guild website: http://www.pipeline.com/~dogglebe/nychg.html

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