Just a bad experience I had with Ebay, warning for all.

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The rules seem to assume that all cartridges are the same. Some printers (some Canon machines, for instance) have a separate printhead as part of the machine, rather than installed in the cartridge. These cartridges are relatively trouble-free. I have made it a point to buy only Canon printers (like the S300 or i475D) that use dirt cheap cartridges that I buy in bulk on eBay. They work great, especially the ones I bought from seller abacus24-7.

Some of the pallet sellers will sell you empty, used carts as new. Beware. — GW

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<some snippage We also counsel people here not to buy laptops on eBay. I think I’m about to sell another one (impaired).

In my time in eBay, I’ve bought advertised NIB ink cartridges, and have never been taken. Not expired, worked fine to EOL. And I’ve sold a few used, but fully-functional laptops on eBay, getting more than I thought I would, and never had a compaint from a buyer. Our experiences with eBay, PayPal, buyers and sellers will vary; our experiences with SB will not; he’s like a consistent hemorrhoid; get it quieted down, and it always come back and chaps your ass. — Regards, Jim – from Texas, USA (Texas Motto: "One Riot, One Ranger") All Posts Sent Have Been Scanned !

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<some snippage ALL laptops for sale on eBay are impared.

CAUTION: The living being once known as "Don Lancaster" has been deceased for some number of years. As many have found out, Don’s posts have been generated by an increasingly malfunctioning TRS-80 Eliza computer program, although its results are certainly more credible than those from the odd little creature that calls itself "SB". No need to send replies to "Don", as they cannot be read from beyond the grave. No need to send replies to SB as they will not be comprehended. — Regards, Jim – from Texas, USA (Texas Motto: "One Riot, One Ranger") All Posts Sent Have Been Scanned !

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I always buy my cartridges off an eBay seller, and I’ve never had a problem. They’re not refilled, not OEM, not expired. I think I must have been lucky to just happen to have selected a legitimate seller. A

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Right but you’re also working on the premise that I was sitting next to a calendar looking at the particular days. Absolutely you are right though I did wait way too long before I started complaining. I suppose the fact that I had purchased many things in the past via e-bay and never had a problem, I was a little lackadaisical. I just assumed shipping was slow with customs, etc. I have contacted them several times, they told me once via email that it had been shipped, 2 weeks later it hadn’t been shipped because they didn’t receive the pay. I sent them the PayPal receipt and then they told me they would take care of it ASAP. Never did, I emailed them 2 weeks ago, they said they are waiting for USPS forms for file a lost parcel? I don’t know

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey all; I purchased 2 Ink Cartridges from a company called "EliteInkJets" owned by a man named Nadim Mourad. I purchased these items on the 15th of November. It is now the 7th of February and I still haven’t received the ink. I’ve been trying to email him several times to figure out when the ink was coming and still nothing.. I complained to PayPal and they told me that because I waited to long it’s passed the 30 days I can file in (even though it was 2-4 weeks delivery) 4 weeks delivery = 28 days. You could have waited him out and *still* had time to file your PayPal claim. Just wanted to let you know that Ebay and Paypal doesn’t "cover" you like they claim they do. And Eliteinkjets.com should not be trusted. Thanks, Jon We’re sorry you didn’t read the instructions. But….you CAN file a credit card chargeback (if you paid via credit card). Kris

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Yeah good call, I bought another set of Cartridges (I know I’m a sucker for punishment) from another person "tonerday" and they emailed me as soon as it was one, and they sent me an email telling me it has been shipped and to let them know if any problems? So far so good I say We’ll see..

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I purchased 2 Ink Cartridges from a company called "EliteInkJets" … Searching … "388 items found for EliteInkJets in Computers & Networking" They are obviously too busy selling to be bothered with fulfillment I purchased these items on the 15th of November. And you waited until all your options expired just why? Just wanted to let you know that Ebay and Paypal doesn’t "cover" you like they claim they do. Had you paid via credit-card funded PP, you could at least have done a chargeback. And had to come to a.m.o.e. before bidding, we could have pointed out some things like (taking a random EIJ auction): Title: "(3) HP #78 TriColor C6578 HP 78 Inkjet Cartridges" Fraudulent. These are refills, as the description later notes. "Item location: Ebay" Big red flag "Positive Feedback: 98.8%" Needs to be higher. And did you look at the FB? The many negs (3 removed) are mostly for slow/no shipping. "After you won the auction" no comment "you may also send payment direct to our Pay Pal email account at elitetradingcorporation -at – hotmail.com" hotmail? excuse me? "Note: we are prohibited from accepting "walk-in" or "will call" orders." right, sure And people wonder "PowerSeller" is not a term of endearment. — http://www.access-one.com/rjn email4rjn AT yahoo DOT com NOT speaking for any employer, client or Internet Service Provider.

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ALL laptops for sale on eBay are impaired.

Favorite comment: "We haven’t had time to check this one folks, so it’s as is but it looks OK". Translation: "RUN! Run now! Do not look back. Keep running. Scream loudly like a girl while running. Do it." — GW

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1. Don’t buy inkjet cartridges on eBay. 2. If you are tempted to ignore rule 1, see rule 1. 3. When you get extremely, painfully, experienced, you won’t need these rules.

What about if you buy them from a power seller with feedback well over 90%? Lumpy — In Your Ears for 40 Years http://www.lumpymusic.com

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1. Don’t buy inkjet cartridges on eBay. 2. If you are tempted to ignore rule 1, see rule 1. 3. When you get extremely, painfully, experienced, you won’t need these rules. What about if you buy them from a power seller with feedback well over 90%?

Then the ink is sure to be lumpy. Clogs the nozzles. Ugh. — http://www.access-one.com/rjn email4rjn AT yahoo DOT com NOT speaking for any employer, client or Internet Service Provider.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey all; I purchased 2 Ink Cartridges from a company called "EliteInkJets" owned by a man named Nadim Mourad. I purchased these items on the 15th of November. It is now the 7th of February and I still haven’t received the ink. I’ve been trying to email him several times to figure out when the ink was coming and still nothing.. I complained to PayPal and they told me that because I waited to long it’s passed the 30 days I can file in (even though it was 2-4 weeks delivery) Just wanted to let you know that Ebay and Paypal doesn’t "cover" you like they claim they do. And Eliteinkjets.com should not be trusted. Thanks, Jon

By the same token, you bear the responsibility of following up on your purchases when they take more than a week to deliver. I’ve purchased stuff that came from HONG KONG … which took only 12 days from the sale close until the item arrived at my door in Los Angeles. Paypal does say that after 30 days, the deal is done. — ~Philip.

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<snip The rules seem to assume that all cartridges are the same. Some printers (some Canon machines, for instance) have a separate printhead as part of the machine, rather than installed in the cartridge. These cartridges are relatively trouble-free. I have made it a point to buy only Canon printers (like the S300 or i475D) that use dirt cheap cartridges that I buy in bulk on eBay. They work great, especially the ones I bought from seller abacus24-7.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The vast majority of inkjet carts sold on eBay are refills. More on refills later. If you do find unexpired, unopened NIB OEM carts, the prices (including S&H) are apt to be no more attractive than your favorite .com. I found expired unopened NIB OEM carts on eBay and the prices were tiny. Since these carts are sealed in foil packs, then in boxes, then sealed in plastic, I figure the printer will die before I run out of working carts for my old printer. Caveat Emptor. Yep. Caveat Emptor. Some brands of carts are encoded with an electronic expiry date, and the printers will refuse to even attempt to print with them beyond a certain time after that date. You need to make sure your printer isn’t one of these, and or the carts are still in the will-print window. There’s also the question of where that cart has been all this time, perhaps in an intermodal container in Fargo North Dakota, freezing and thawing, or in an intermodal container in Henderson NV, baking and cooling? But sure, if you know your printer, are comfortable with the seller, have confidence in the date they advertised, then outdated cartridges can be a great deal. Like I said, I’ve sold such on eBay. (I said "don’t buy them on eBay", not "don’t sell them on eBay" We also counsel people here not to buy laptops on eBay. I think I’m about to sell another one (impaired).

ALL laptops for sale on eBay are impared. — Many thanks, Don Lancaster Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 Please visit my GURU’s LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com

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We also counsel people here not to buy laptops on eBay. I think I’m about to sell another one (impaired). ALL laptops for sale on eBay are impared.

Actually, a substantial number of them are entirely non-existent. The buyer’s money, however, is real. However, in the case of real (working) laptops, the buyer’s money is often not real. But junk laptops clearly sold as junk are generally non subject to The Don’s normal wise advice concerning the abundant risks of buying or selling laptops on eBay. — http://www.access-one.com/rjn email4rjn AT yahoo DOT com NOT speaking for any employer, client or Internet Service Provider.

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No. my printer is an old dumb as a brick job. You can even refill them and it’ll keep on truckin’. There’s also the question of where that cart has been all this time, perhaps in an intermodal container in Fargo North Dakota, freezing and thawing, or in an intermodal container in Henderson NV, baking and cooling?

When you get 12 carts for $7 and the retail is $35 each – that’s a buy signal to me. But sure, if you know your printer, are comfortable with the seller, have confidence in the date they advertised, then outdated cartridges can be a great deal. We also counsel people here not to buy laptops on eBay. I think I’m about to sell another one (impaired).

I have always been opposed to ’service contracts’. Bad deal on a desktop, say. However with laptops I’m 100% in favor of them. — GW

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They also have an 800 number in their auction, have you called and asked when your order was shipped? If you call, it may result in getting your item, while posting here is certainly not going to result in getting your item.

Call daily. Call the police in his town also. — GW

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The vast majority of inkjet carts sold on eBay are refills. More on refills later. If you do find unexpired, unopened NIB OEM carts, the prices (including S&H) are apt to be no more attractive than your favorite .com. I found expired unopened NIB OEM carts on eBay and the prices were tiny. Since these carts are sealed in foil packs, then in boxes, then sealed in plastic, I figure the printer will die before I run out of working carts for my old printer. Caveat Emptor.

Yep. Caveat Emptor. Some brands of carts are encoded with an electronic expiry date, and the printers will refuse to even attempt to print with them beyond a certain time after that date. You need to make sure your printer isn’t one of these, and or the carts are still in the will-print window. There’s also the question of where that cart has been all this time, perhaps in an intermodal container in Fargo North Dakota, freezing and thawing, or in an intermodal container in Henderson NV, baking and cooling? But sure, if you know your printer, are comfortable with the seller, have confidence in the date they advertised, then outdated cartridges can be a great deal. Like I said, I’ve sold such on eBay. (I said "don’t buy them on eBay", not "don’t sell them on eBay" We also counsel people here not to buy laptops on eBay. I think I’m about to sell another one (impaired). — http://www.access-one.com/rjn email4rjn AT yahoo DOT com NOT speaking for any employer, client or Internet Service Provider.

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: I purchased 2 Ink Cartridges from a company called "EliteInkJets" owned : by a man named Nadim Mourad… You are lucky, it’s only 2 ink jet cartridges and you learned a valuable lesson cheaply: do some checking, act before your deadlines expire. Could have been far more expensive. Keep after them, they may still ship.

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Although the OP in the original thread is intent on warning about a particular seller (whose listings contain numerous red, orange and yellow flags for experienced bidders), there’s more general issue of buying inkjet cartridges on eBay. Three rules about that: 1. Don’t buy inkjet cartridges on eBay. 2. If you are tempted to ignore rule 1, see rule 1. 3. When you get extremely, painfully, experienced, you won’t need these rules. The vast majority of inkjet carts sold on eBay are refills. More on refills later. If you do find unexpired, unopened NIB OEM carts, the prices (including S&H) are apt to be no more attractive than your favorite .com. Very few refills are so identified in the auction Title. Titles usually just reflect the OEM SKU. Yes, this violates eBay policies (misleading titles, keyword spam, perhaps others). No, as usual, eBay seems to have no inclination to enforce obvious blatent, easy to find violations of policies. More than a few such auctions don’t even admit that the carts are refills (or "remanufactured"), or they bury that key fact in a blizzard of verbiage they figure you won’t read. If the carts are actually OEM, there’s a high probability that they are either/both: – expired – open box (probably "wrong cart for my printer" returns). If the seller "neglects" to tell you the expiration date on the carton, odds are the cart is expired. Expired carts may be a reasonable deal, depending on how long expired, brand and model. But if the seller won’t tell you the date up front, that’s a warning about that seller. So ask them. The answer may be telling. I have sold unused/outdated carts on eBay, clearly identified as such and heavily caveated. Seller and buyer were happy, but this is the exception, and not the rule. Open box carts are a different can of worms. If it’s a multi-color integrated cart (e.g. hp), and the tape over the CMY nozzles was removed and re-applied, there’s a serious chance of cross-tank color contamination, as well as dried ink clogs. If you can’t determine from auc whether the carton is still "factory sealed", ask. Sellers who push junk carts are highly likely to exhibit other symtoms of being ProblemSellers: slow/no ship, FB hostaging, not responsible for item in shipment, non-responsive to emails, no phone number, no on-site pick-up, drop-shipping seller, etc. Most of the cart pusher listings I’ve reviewed are from sellers from whom I would buy no products of any kind, just based on their presentation & terms. Meanwhile, back at refills … Whether or not to use refilled carts is an on-going debate. Personally, I never have (so keep that in mind). The risks of refills seem to include: – nozzle life was exhausted before this last refill – leaking and consuming the useful life of the ink wick (if any) in your printer, or even more serious damage – unsatisfactory printing results: ugly font rendering, missing lines, inaccurate color matching, fast fading, etc. – short cartridge life, wiping out the original economic incentive to not go OEM Refills also come from various sources, including: – seller refills using home-brew ink – seller refills using aftermarket ink – 3rd-party name-brand aftermarket refills Your risks vary considerably with each. Unless you already have experience with specific refills, and know how to find unexpired identical product, don’t get your feet wet via eBay. The ink is hard to wash out. — http://www.access-one.com/rjn email4rjn AT yahoo DOT com NOT speaking for any employer, client or Internet Service Provider.

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I found expired unopened NIB OEM carts on eBay and the prices were tiny. Since these carts are sealed in foil packs, then in boxes, then sealed in plastic, I figure the printer will die before I run out of working carts for my old printer. Caveat Emptor. — GW

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I complained to PayPal and they told me that because I waited to long it’s passed the 30 days I can file in (even though it was 2-4 weeks delivery) Just wanted to let you know that Ebay and Paypal doesn’t "cover" you like they claim they do.

Yes they do. For instance, PayPal covers you if you file a complaint within 30 days, JUST LIKE THEY SAY THEY DO. You waited too long to complain. It’s not PPs fault that you willingly bought an item with a delivery time of "2-4 weeks" and then waited until past the 30 day deadline before you filed a complaint. You let the protections they promise expire, and that’s not their fault it’s YOUR fault. Next time, either avoid auctions with a 2-4 week delivery time or file a complaint before the 30 days runs out. You can remove the complaint if your item arrives after you file. jc

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I purchased 2 Ink Cartridges from a company called "EliteInkJets" owned by a man named Nadim Mourad. I purchased these items on the 15th of November. It is now the 7th of February and I still haven’t received the ink.

Did you look at their feedback before bidding? <http://www.toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=nadim224&Dirn=Received+by There are a lot of complaints about slow shipping. They also have an 800 number in their auction, have you called and asked when your order was shipped? If you call, it may result in getting your item, while posting here is certainly not going to result in getting your item. jc

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I purchased 2 Ink Cartridges from a company called "EliteInkJets" …

Searching … "388 items found for EliteInkJets in Computers & Networking" They are obviously too busy selling to be bothered with fulfillment I purchased these items on the 15th of November.

And you waited until all your options expired just why? Just wanted to let you know that Ebay and Paypal doesn’t "cover" you like they claim they do.

Had you paid via credit-card funded PP, you could at least have done a chargeback. And had to come to a.m.o.e. before bidding, we could have pointed out some things like (taking a random EIJ auction): Title: "(3) HP #78 TriColor C6578 HP 78 Inkjet Cartridges"

Fraudulent. These are refills, as the description later notes. "Item location: Ebay"

Big red flag "Positive Feedback: 98.8%"

Needs to be higher. And did you look at the FB? The many negs (3 removed) are mostly for slow/no shipping. "After you won the auction"

no comment "you may also send payment direct to our Pay Pal email account at elitetradingcorporation -at – hotmail.com"

hotmail? excuse me? "Note: we are prohibited from accepting "walk-in" or "will call" orders."

right, sure And people wonder "PowerSeller" is not a term of endearment. — http://www.access-one.com/rjn email4rjn AT yahoo DOT com NOT speaking for any employer, client or Internet Service Provider.

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Hey all; I purchased 2 Ink Cartridges from a company called "EliteInkJets" owned by a man named Nadim Mourad. I purchased these items on the 15th of November. It is now the 7th of February and I still haven’t received the ink. I’ve been trying to email him several times to figure out when the ink was coming and still nothing.. I complained to PayPal and they told me that because I waited to long it’s passed the 30 days I can file in (even though it was 2-4 weeks delivery) Just wanted to let you know that Ebay and Paypal doesn’t "cover" you like they claim they do. And Eliteinkjets.com should not be trusted. Thanks, Jon

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4 weeks delivery = 28 days. You could have waited him out and *still* had time to file your PayPal claim. Just wanted to let you know that Ebay and Paypal doesn’t "cover" you like they claim they do. And Eliteinkjets.com should not be trusted. Thanks, Jon

We’re sorry you didn’t read the instructions. But….you CAN file a credit card chargeback (if you paid via credit card). Kris

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