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washingtonpost.com Outrage That Rings False By Hilary Rosen Saturday, October 16, 2004; Page A23 Nicolle Devenish, communications director for the Bush-Cheney campaign, said Thursday that John Kerry will pay a heavy political price for what he did. Lynne Cheney, the vice president’s wife, said, "This is a bad man." The crime? John Kerry in the final presidential debate suggested that we are all God’s children and used Mary Cheney as an example of a healthy gay person loved by her family. The response from the Cheneys and the Bush campaign has been blatantly political. In fact, it is they who are using Mary Cheney — using her now to score points against Kerry and John Edwards over an issue on which they themselves are guilty of the wrongs that Kerry and Edwards are fighting against. Even after almost 30 years in Washington, I am surprised by the overwhelming hypocrisy and meanness of the Bush reelection campaign. Let’s review the facts. Before the election season, this administration opposed every initiative to offer equality for gay men and lesbians. Indeed, it has gone out of its way to be punitive, with such actions as the Office of Personnel Management’s announcement that the federal government has no intention of honoring the Clinton administration’s order to add sexual orientation to anti-discrimination rules in the federal government. After the debate, the vice president said of John Kerry: "This is a man who will say anything and do anything to get elected." Many people thought the same thing about Dick Cheney and President Bush on Feb. 24. That was the day the president announced to the country that heterosexual marriages are in trouble because gay people might someday have such a right in a few states. The crisis was so dire that he implored Congress to pass a constitutional amendment to permanently take away any rights gay men and lesbians might have to equal access to government benefits of marriage. The Republican leaderships in both houses of Congress brought this amendment to the floor. Anyone watching the debate would cringe at the dehumanizing and painful things said by Republican sponsors of the proposal about gay people. All of the Cheneys have sat back as senators and members of Congress who stood up for their position against the constitutional amendment were attacked in campaigns across the country. In Texas, North Dakota, South Carolina, Oklahoma, North Carolina and elsewhere, Republican candidates are using the gay issue against Democrats who have done nothing more than vote to protect the notion of fairness and equality in our Constitution. Where is the outrage of Dick and Lynne Cheney over this? In August, at a town meeting, the vice president was asked to speak from the heart about gay marriage. He did. He said he was against the constitutional amendment. And he expressed love for his daughter. The country was impressed. I think the record is pretty clear that fair-minded political leaders didn’t talk publicly about Mary Cheney until her father did. All of a sudden it was clear to John Kerry and John Edwards that if the Bush campaign tried to attack them on the gay marriage issue, they should just respond by saying they had the same position on this issue as Dick Cheney. That is certainly the advice I gave them. How dare the president criticize Kerry, as he did again the other night, for taking the same position as Dick Cheney? And we know that anti-gay messages are being promoted in many districts around the country to get out the evangelical vote for President Bush on Election Day. The silent but admirable Mary Cheney has remained a loyal daughter and foot soldier in this homophobic campaign. I feel sorry for her — sorry that she seems to now be a pawn in this race. But the perpetrator is not Kerry. This issue is in the campaign because Bush sought political advantage by using it all year. This week’s outrage rings so false it makes my ears hurt. _____ The writer is former chairman and chief executive of the Recording Industry Association of America and a volunteer for gay rights causes. (c) 2004 The Washington Post Company        Posted via TITANnews – Uncensored Newsgroups Access               at http://www.TitanNews.com <<<< -=Every Newsgroup – Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=-

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Nice try. And I’d probably try it, too, if I were you; Bush got a 4 point bounce from the controversy, so you KNOW it’s resonating. All someone has to be, after all, is a parent, to know why. Attacking your opponent’s children just ain’t done. Kerry is a bona-fide asshole. Only a gen-u-wine, grade-A-for-Asshole asshole would hide behind, not just the billionaire he married for her money, but the other side’s *children*. Someone would have to hate Bush an AWFUL lot to deliberately select such an indisputably known asshole. And while there’s some of them, there’s apparently fewer than Kerry is counting on there being. Free-fall is when things get worse faster than you can lower your standards. And 4% apparently just faced up to that situation, and switched to Bush. Suffer, Freep

washingtonpost.com Outrage That Rings False By Hilary Rosen Saturday, October 16, 2004; Page A23 Nicolle Devenish, communications director for the Bush-Cheney campaign,

said Thursday that John Kerry will pay a heavy political price for what he did. Lynne Cheney, the

vice president’s wife, said, "This is a bad man." The crime? John Kerry in the final presidential debate suggested that we

are all God’s children and used Mary Cheney as an example of a healthy gay person loved by her family. The response from the Cheneys and the Bush campaign has been blatantly

political. In fact, it is they who are using Mary Cheney — using her now to score points against

Kerry and John Edwards over an issue on which they themselves are guilty of the wrongs that Kerry and

Edwards are fighting against. Even after almost 30 years in Washington, I am surprised by the

overwhelming hypocrisy and meanness of the Bush reelection campaign. Let’s review the facts. Before the election season, this administration

opposed every initiative to offer equality for gay men and lesbians. Indeed, it has gone out of its

way to be punitive, with such actions as the Office of Personnel Management’s announcement that the

federal government has no intention of honoring the Clinton administration’s order to add sexual orientation to anti-discrimination rules in the federal government. After the debate, the vice president said of John Kerry: "This is a man

who will say anything and do anything to get elected." Many people thought the same thing about Dick

Cheney and President Bush on Feb. 24. That was the day the president announced to the country that heterosexual marriages are in trouble because gay people might someday have such a

right in a few states. The crisis was so dire that he implored Congress to pass a constitutional

amendment to permanently take away any rights gay men and lesbians might have to equal access to

government benefits of marriage. The Republican leaderships in both houses of Congress brought this

amendment to the floor. Anyone watching the debate would cringe at the dehumanizing and painful things

said by Republican sponsors of the proposal about gay people. All of the Cheneys have sat back as senators and members of Congress who stood up for their position against the constitutional amendment were attacked in campaigns

across the country. In Texas, North Dakota, South Carolina, Oklahoma, North Carolina and

elsewhere, Republican candidates are using the gay issue against Democrats who have done nothing more than vote to protect the notion of fairness and equality in our Constitution. Where is the outrage of Dick and Lynne Cheney over this? In August, at a town meeting, the vice president was asked to speak from the heart about gay marriage. He did. He said he was against the constitutional amendment. And

he expressed love for his daughter. The country was impressed. I think the record is pretty clear that fair-minded political leaders

didn’t talk publicly about Mary Cheney until her father did. All of a sudden it was clear to John

Kerry and John Edwards that if the Bush campaign tried to attack them on the gay marriage issue, they

should just respond by saying they had the same position on this issue as Dick Cheney. That is

certainly the advice I gave them. How dare the president criticize Kerry, as he did again the other

night, for taking the same position as Dick Cheney? And we know that anti-gay messages are being

promoted in many districts around the country to get out the evangelical vote for President Bush on

Election Day. The silent but admirable Mary Cheney has remained a loyal daughter and foot soldier in this homophobic campaign. I feel sorry for her — sorry that she seems to now be a pawn in this

race. But the perpetrator is not Kerry. This issue is in the campaign because Bush sought political

advantage by using it all year. This week’s outrage rings so false it makes my ears hurt. _____ The writer is former chairman and chief executive of the Recording

Industry Association of America – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – and a volunteer for gay rights causes. (c) 2004 The Washington Post Company        Posted via TITANnews – Uncensored Newsgroups Access               at http://www.TitanNews.com <<<< -=Every Newsgroup – Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=-

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 John Kerry in the final presidential debate suggested that we are all God’s children and used Mary Cheney as an example of a healthy gay person loved by her family.

What part of this, exactly, do you take exception to? Everybody knew she’s gay. Are the Cheney’s ashamed of her? Or, do they NOT LIKE HAVING THEIR HYPOCRACY EXPOSED ????

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 John Kerry in the final presidential debate suggested that we are all God’s children and used Mary Cheney as an example of a healthy gay person loved by her family. What part of this, exactly, do you take exception to? Everybody knew she’s gay. Are the Cheney’s ashamed of her? Or, do they NOT LIKE HAVING THEIR HYPOCRACY EXPOSED ????

I wonder how Mary feels about the fact that the Log Cabin Republicans (gay and lesbian Republican organization) decided NOT TO ENDORSE A CANDIDATE this election.

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Nice try. And I’d probably try it, too, if I were you; Bush got a 4 point bounce from the controversy

Depending on which poll you look at, between 53 and 56% of Americans say that Bush is moving this country in the WRONG direction. As far as polls go, I put more weight in state by state polls.  Remember the Electoral College?  Kerry still has Ohio and Pennsylvania, the key to WINNING on November 2nd.  IOWA just tilted in Kerry’s favor. Have an open mind or undecided?  Read: http://www.udecide.org/downloads/YouDecide-Booklet.pdf

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washingtonpost.com Outrage That Rings False By Hilary Rosen

and yet nearly 80% of Americans found Kerry’s remarks to be offensive and out of line. Not just conservatives, not just Gay’s, but EVERYONE! YOU LOSE, ASSHOLE!!! Your guy is a first class jerk, and the American people saw that. Mark my words, JOhn KErry, dishonorably discharged traitor, lost the election with this comment. But you try to talk it down as much as you can. After all, he IS your guy, isn’t he? You and Hilary Rosen. About an equally matched pair mentally. paul arizona

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – washingtonpost.com Outrage That Rings False By Hilary Rosen Saturday, October 16, 2004; Page A23 Nicolle Devenish, communications director for the Bush-Cheney campaign, said Thursday that John Kerry will pay a heavy political price for what he did. Lynne Cheney, the vice president’s wife, said, "This is a bad man." The crime? John Kerry in the final presidential debate suggested that we are all God’s children and used Mary Cheney as an example of a healthy gay person loved by her family. The response from the Cheneys and the Bush campaign has been blatantly political. In fact, it is they who are using Mary Cheney — using her now to score points against Kerry and John Edwards over an issue on which they themselves are guilty of the wrongs that Kerry and Edwards are fighting against. Even after almost 30 years in Washington, I am surprised by the overwhelming hypocrisy and meanness of the Bush reelection campaign. Let’s review the facts. Before the election season, this administration opposed every initiative to offer equality for gay men and lesbians. Indeed, it has gone out of its way to be punitive, with such actions as the Office of Personnel Management’s announcement that the federal government has no intention of honoring the Clinton administration’s order to add sexual orientation to anti-discrimination rules in the federal government. After the debate, the vice president said of John Kerry: "This is a man who will say anything and do anything to get elected." Many people thought the same thing about Dick Cheney and President Bush on Feb. 24. That was the day the president announced to the country that heterosexual marriages are in trouble because gay people might someday have such a right in a few states. The crisis was so dire that he implored Congress to pass a constitutional amendment to permanently take away any rights gay men and lesbians might have to equal access to government benefits of marriage. The Republican leaderships in both houses of Congress brought this amendment to the floor. Anyone watching the debate would cringe at the dehumanizing and painful things said by Republican sponsors of the proposal about gay people. All of the Cheneys have sat back as senators and members of Congress who stood up for their position against the constitutional amendment were attacked in campaigns across the country. In Texas, North Dakota, South Carolina, Oklahoma, North Carolina and elsewhere, Republican candidates are using the gay issue against Democrats who have done nothing more than vote to protect the notion of fairness and equality in our Constitution. Where is the outrage of Dick and Lynne Cheney over this? In August, at a town meeting, the vice president was asked to speak from the heart about gay marriage. He did. He said he was against the constitutional amendment. And he expressed love for his daughter. The country was impressed. I think the record is pretty clear that fair-minded political leaders didn’t talk publicly about Mary Cheney until her father did. All of a sudden it was clear to John Kerry and John Edwards that if the Bush campaign tried to attack them on the gay marriage issue, they should just respond by saying they had the same position on this issue as Dick Cheney. That is certainly the advice I gave them. How dare the president criticize Kerry, as he did again the other night, for taking the same position as Dick Cheney? And we know that anti-gay messages are being promoted in many districts around the country to get out the evangelical vote for President Bush on Election Day. The silent but admirable Mary Cheney has remained a loyal daughter and foot soldier in this homophobic campaign. I feel sorry for her — sorry that she seems to now be a pawn in this race. But the perpetrator is not Kerry. This issue is in the campaign because Bush sought political advantage by using it all year. This week’s outrage rings so false it makes my ears hurt. _____ The writer is former chairman and chief executive of the Recording Industry Association of America and a volunteer for gay rights causes. (c) 2004 The Washington Post Company       Posted via TITANnews – Uncensored Newsgroups Access             at http://www.TitanNews.com <<<< -=Every Newsgroup – Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=-

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Congratulations! You and Jim Anable are among the 20% of Americans who are so jaded and perverted in their asinine support of JOhn KErry that you weren’t offended by the Kerry/Edwards ‘Cheap Shot’ at Mary Cheny. The other 80% of Americans know that Kerry/Edwards proved themselves jerkwad assholes with the strategy designed to embarrass Bush/Cheny at the expense of an innocent victim. paul arizona

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  John Kerry in the final presidential debate suggested that we are all God’s children and used Mary Cheney as an example of a healthy gay person loved by her family. What part of this, exactly, do you take exception to? Everybody knew she’s gay. Are the Cheney’s ashamed of her? Or, do they NOT LIKE HAVING THEIR HYPOCRACY EXPOSED ????

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Explain to us why it was a "cheap shot"?

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"you lose asshole" ????  is showing.

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Congratulations! You and Jim Anable are among the 20% of Americans who are so jaded and perverted in their asinine support of JOhn KErry that you weren’t offended by the Kerry/Edwards ‘Cheap Shot’ at Mary Cheny.

It wasn’t a cheap shot by any measure. It’s not as if anyone outed some shy teenager — Mary Cheney is an openly gay adult making her living in politics.   Americans have been once again misled by the GOP spin machine! The other 80% of Americans know that Kerry/Edwards proved themselves jerkwad assholes with the strategy designed to embarrass Bush/Cheny at the expense of an innocent victim.

There is nothing "innocent" about Mary Cheney.  She has been out as a lesbian for many years, has used her her family name combined with her well-known sexual orientation to land a job at a brewing company owned by a famous GOP donor as a "liason to the gay community" to help them sell beer, and is currently on the payroll of the Bush- Cheney campaign as an advisor — iow, she is a de facto public figure.  I wouldn’t be surprised if all this feigned outrage was *her* idea and a way of earning her keep in the family business!  After all, Edwards brought her up at the VP debate and got nothing but gratitude from dear old dad — why is it suddenly offensive now that the race is coming down to the wire? This is just a scared GOP campaign trying to distract people from an utterly failed and corrupt presidency — one that has used ignorant fear and loathing of gay people shamelessly as "wedge issue." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -paul arizona  John Kerry in the final presidential debate suggested that we are all God’s children and used Mary Cheney as an example of a healthy gay person loved by her family. What part of this, exactly, do you take exception to? Everybody knew she’s gay. Are the Cheney’s ashamed of her? Or, do they NOT LIKE HAVING THEIR HYPOCRACY EXPOSED ????

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washingtonpost.com Outrage That Rings False By Hilary Rosen and yet nearly 80% of Americans found Kerry’s remarks to be offensive and out of line. Not just conservatives, not just Gay’s, but EVERYONE!

That’s because they naively believe that Mary Cheney was hiding her sexual orientation and that somehow Kerry "outed" her, which is patently untrue.   If she was closeted, I’d be pissed at Kerry too — but she’s been openly gay for many years and has even used her sexual orientation (combined with her family’s fame) to land a lucrative job! YOU LOSE, ASSHOLE!!!

Could be — they’ve lied their way to victory before and it unfortunately could happen again. Your guy is a first class jerk, and the American people saw that.

The American people saw nothing of the kind — they heard that hypocrite Lynne Cheney make believe she was an angry mother when in fact she’s just an angry political partisan who doesn’t mind lying about how she feels to help her party.   If mommy hadn’t whined about a non-existent offense, America wouldn’t have even noticed. Mark my words, JOhn KErry, dishonorably discharged traitor, lost the election with this comment. But you try to talk it down as much as you can. After all, he IS your guy, isn’t he? You and Hilary Rosen. About an equally matched pair mentally.

I’m willing to bet that both Ms. Rosen and I have three- digit IQs, if that’s what you mean.               – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -paul arizona washingtonpost.com Outrage That Rings False By Hilary Rosen Saturday, October 16, 2004; Page A23 Nicolle Devenish, communications director for the Bush-Cheney campaign, said Thursday that John Kerry will pay a heavy political price for what he did. Lynne Cheney, the vice president’s wife, said, "This is a bad man." The crime? John Kerry in the final presidential debate suggested that we are all God’s children and used Mary Cheney as an example of a healthy gay person loved by her family. The response from the Cheneys and the Bush campaign has been blatantly political. In fact, it is they who are using Mary Cheney — using her now to score points against Kerry and John Edwards over an issue on which they themselves are guilty of the wrongs that Kerry and Edwards are fighting against. Even after almost 30 years in Washington, I am surprised by the overwhelming hypocrisy and meanness of the Bush reelection campaign. Let’s review the facts. Before the election season, this administration opposed every initiative to offer equality for gay men and lesbians. Indeed, it has gone out of its way to be punitive, with such actions as the Office of Personnel Management’s announcement that the federal government has no intention of honoring the Clinton administration’s order to add sexual orientation to anti-discrimination rules in the federal government. After the debate, the vice president said of John Kerry: "This is a man who will say anything and do anything to get elected." Many people thought the same thing about Dick Cheney and President Bush on Feb. 24. That was the day the president announced to the country that heterosexual marriages are in trouble because gay people might someday have such a right in a few states. The crisis was so dire that he implored Congress to pass a constitutional amendment to permanently take away any rights gay men and lesbians might have to equal access to government benefits of marriage. The Republican leaderships in both houses of Congress brought this amendment to the floor. Anyone watching the debate would cringe at the dehumanizing and painful things said by Republican sponsors of the proposal about gay people. All of the Cheneys have sat back as senators and members of Congress who stood up for their position against the constitutional amendment were attacked in campaigns across the country. In Texas, North Dakota, South Carolina, Oklahoma, North Carolina and elsewhere, Republican candidates are using the gay issue against Democrats who have done nothing more than vote to protect the notion of fairness and equality in our Constitution. Where is the outrage of Dick and Lynne Cheney over this? In August, at a town meeting, the vice president was asked to speak from the heart about gay marriage. He did. He said he was against the constitutional amendment. And he expressed love for his daughter. The country was impressed. I think the record is pretty clear that fair-minded political leaders didn’t talk publicly about Mary Cheney until her father did. All of a sudden it was clear to John Kerry and John Edwards that if the Bush campaign tried to attack them on the gay marriage issue, they should just respond by saying they had the same position on this issue as Dick Cheney. That is certainly the advice I gave them. How dare the president criticize Kerry, as he did again the other night, for taking the same position as Dick Cheney? And we know that anti-gay messages are being promoted in many districts around the country to get out the evangelical vote for President Bush on Election Day. The silent but admirable Mary Cheney has remained a loyal daughter and foot soldier in this homophobic campaign. I feel sorry for her — sorry that she seems to now be a pawn in this race. But the perpetrator is not Kerry. This issue is in the campaign because Bush sought political advantage by using it all year. This week’s outrage rings so false it makes my ears hurt. _____ The writer is former chairman and chief executive of the Recording Industry Association of America and a volunteer for gay rights causes. (c) 2004 The Washington Post Company       Posted via TITANnews – Uncensored Newsgroups Access             at http://www.TitanNews.com <<<< -=Every Newsgroup – Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=-

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Hey genius, do you happen to know the difference between an editorial column and a news report? Did the writer of that particular percentage actually inverview everyone in the the country to arrive at that figure accurately? BTW, what is the source for that "80%" figure? Your guy is a third class jerk and not the president. He was NEVER elected. We are NOT at war – it’s an occupation after an immoral invasion of a sovereign nation that was not even a threat to its own neighbors. Cheney has a GAY daughter! It’s common knowledge, but Duh-bya wants to deprive rights to gays. Duh-bya joined the national guard to get out of going to Vietnam. It’s common knowledge. You are a moron. You prove it publicly every time you post something here. Retard want a cracker?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – washingtonpost.com Outrage That Rings False By Hilary Rosen and yet nearly 80% of Americans found Kerry’s remarks to be offensive and out of line. Not just conservatives, not just Gay’s, but EVERYONE! YOU LOSE, ASSHOLE!!! Your guy is a first class jerk, and the American people saw that. Mark my words, JOhn KErry, dishonorably discharged traitor, lost the election with this comment. But you try to talk it down as much as you can. After all, he IS your guy, isn’t he? You and Hilary Rosen. About an equally matched pair mentally. paul arizona washingtonpost.com Outrage That Rings False By Hilary Rosen Saturday, October 16, 2004; Page A23 Nicolle Devenish, communications director for the Bush-Cheney campaign, said Thursday that John Kerry will pay a heavy political price for what he did. Lynne Cheney, the vice president’s wife, said, "This is a bad man." The crime? John Kerry in the final presidential debate suggested that we are all God’s children and used Mary Cheney as an example of a healthy gay person loved by her family. The response from the Cheneys and the Bush campaign has been blatantly political. In fact, it is they who are using Mary Cheney — using her now to score points against Kerry and John Edwards over an issue on which they themselves are guilty of the wrongs that Kerry and Edwards are fighting against. Even after almost 30 years in Washington, I am surprised by the overwhelming hypocrisy and meanness of the Bush reelection campaign. Let’s review the facts. Before the election season, this administration opposed every initiative to offer equality for gay men and lesbians. Indeed, it has gone out of its way to be punitive, with such actions as the Office of Personnel Management’s announcement that the federal government has no intention of honoring the Clinton administration’s order to add sexual orientation to anti-discrimination rules in the federal government. After the debate, the vice president said of John Kerry: "This is a man who will say anything and do anything to get elected." Many people thought the same thing about Dick Cheney and President Bush on Feb. 24. That was the day the president announced to the country that heterosexual marriages are in trouble because gay people might someday have such a right in a few states. The crisis was so dire that he implored Congress to pass a constitutional amendment to permanently take away any rights gay men and lesbians might have to equal access to government benefits of marriage. The Republican leaderships in both houses of Congress brought this amendment to the floor. Anyone watching the debate would cringe at the dehumanizing and painful things said by Republican sponsors of the proposal about gay people. All of the Cheneys have sat back as senators and members of Congress who stood up for their position against the constitutional amendment were attacked in campaigns across the country. In Texas, North Dakota, South Carolina, Oklahoma, North Carolina and elsewhere, Republican candidates are using the gay issue against Democrats who have done nothing more than vote to protect the notion of fairness and equality in our Constitution. Where is the outrage of Dick and Lynne Cheney over this? In August, at a town meeting, the vice president was asked to speak from the heart about gay marriage. He did. He said he was against the constitutional amendment. And he expressed love for his daughter. The country was impressed. I think the record is pretty clear that fair-minded political leaders didn’t talk publicly about Mary Cheney until her father did. All of a sudden it was clear to John Kerry and John Edwards that if the Bush campaign tried to attack them on the gay marriage issue, they should just respond by saying they had the same position on this issue as Dick Cheney. That is certainly the advice I gave them. How dare the president criticize Kerry, as he did again the other night, for taking the same position as Dick Cheney? And we know that anti-gay messages are being promoted in many districts around the country to get out the evangelical vote for President Bush on Election Day. The silent but admirable Mary Cheney has remained a loyal daughter and foot soldier in this homophobic campaign. I feel sorry for her — sorry that she seems to now be a pawn in this race. But the perpetrator is not Kerry. This issue is in the campaign because Bush sought political advantage by using it all year. This week’s outrage rings so false it makes my ears hurt. _____ The writer is former chairman and chief executive of the Recording Industry Association of America and a volunteer for gay rights causes. (c) 2004 The Washington Post Company       Posted via TITANnews – Uncensored Newsgroups Access             at http://www.TitanNews.com <<<< -=Every Newsgroup – Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=-

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Congratulations! You and Jim Anable are among the 20% of Americans who are so jaded and perverted in their asinine support of JOhn KErry that you weren’t offended by the Kerry/Edwards ‘Cheap Shot’ at Mary Cheny. It wasn’t a cheap shot by any measure. It’s not as if anyone outed some shy teenager — Mary Cheney is an openly gay adult making her living in politics.   Americans have been once again misled by the GOP spin machine! The other 80% of Americans know that Kerry/Edwards proved themselves jerkwad assholes with the strategy designed to embarrass Bush/Cheny at the expense of an innocent victim. There is nothing "innocent" about Mary Cheney.  She has been out as a lesbian for many years, has used her her family name combined with her well-known sexual orientation to land a job at a brewing company owned by a famous GOP donor as a "liason to the gay community" to help them sell beer, and is currently on the payroll of the Bush- Cheney campaign as an advisor — iow, she is a de facto public figure.  I wouldn’t be surprised if all this feigned outrage was *her* idea and a way of earning her keep in the family business!  After all, Edwards brought her up at the VP debate and got nothing but gratitude from dear old dad — why is it suddenly offensive now that the race is coming down to the wire? This is just a scared GOP campaign trying to distract people from an utterly failed and corrupt presidency — one that has used ignorant fear and loathing of gay people shamelessly as "wedge issue."

Bullshit, Brucie … how the hell can JOhn KErry actually know what Mary Cheney thinks?  Look at what he said, and then tell me he didn’t speak without authority on this issue. "And I think if you were to talk to Dick Cheney’s daughter, who is a lesbian, she would tell you that she’s being who she was. She’s being who she was born as. I think if you talk to anybody, it’s not a choice." How the hell can he think he has the authority to speak for someone else he has never talked to before?  Aside from that, why didn’t he use Dick Gephardt’s daughter as an example? Why didn’t he use Barney Frank?  Why didn’t he use any other gay person as an example?  Why did he have to use Mary Cheney?  It was obviously a concerted effort by both Johns to target Mary Cheney and "out" her to anyone (hardcore Conservatives, specifically) who didn’t already know. Lostpup198 "I wish there was a knob on the TV to turn up the intelligence. There’s a knob called "brightness", but it doesn’t work." — Gallagher Comedian

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Retard want a cracker?

your the only cracker here peckerwood! by the way, the point of having an open mind is not to be so open that your brains fall out. paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey genius, do you happen to know the difference between an editorial column and a news report? Did the writer of that particular percentage actually inverview everyone in the the country to arrive at that figure accurately? BTW, what is the source for that "80%" figure? Your guy is a third class jerk and not the president. He was NEVER elected. We are NOT at war – it’s an occupation after an immoral invasion of a sovereign nation that was not even a threat to its own neighbors. Cheney has a GAY daughter! It’s common knowledge, but Duh-bya wants to deprive rights to gays. Duh-bya joined the national guard to get out of going to Vietnam. It’s common knowledge. You are a moron. You prove it publicly every time you post something here. Retard want a cracker? washingtonpost.com Outrage That Rings False By Hilary Rosen and yet nearly 80% of Americans found Kerry’s remarks to be offensive and out of line. Not just conservatives, not just Gay’s, but EVERYONE! YOU LOSE, ASSHOLE!!! Your guy is a first class jerk, and the American people saw that. Mark my words, JOhn KErry, dishonorably discharged traitor, lost the election with this comment. But you try to talk it down as much as you can. After all, he IS your guy, isn’t he? You and Hilary Rosen. About an equally matched pair mentally. paul arizona washingtonpost.com Outrage That Rings False By Hilary Rosen Saturday, October 16, 2004; Page A23 Nicolle Devenish, communications director for the Bush-Cheney campaign, said Thursday that John Kerry will pay a heavy political price for what he did. Lynne Cheney, the vice president’s wife, said, "This is a bad man." The crime? John Kerry in the final presidential debate suggested that we are all God’s children and used Mary Cheney as an example of a healthy gay person loved by her family. The response from the Cheneys and the Bush campaign has been blatantly political. In fact, it is they who are using Mary Cheney — using her now to score points against Kerry and John Edwards over an issue on which they themselves are guilty of the wrongs that Kerry and Edwards are fighting against. Even after almost 30 years in Washington, I am surprised by the overwhelming hypocrisy and meanness of the Bush reelection campaign. Let’s review the facts. Before the election season, this administration opposed every initiative to offer equality for gay men and lesbians. Indeed, it has gone out of its way to be punitive, with such actions as the Office of Personnel Management’s announcement that the federal government has no intention of honoring the Clinton administration’s order to add sexual orientation to anti-discrimination rules in the federal government. After the debate, the vice president said of John Kerry: "This is a man who will say anything and do anything to get elected." Many people thought the same thing about Dick Cheney and President Bush on Feb. 24. That was the day the president announced to the country that heterosexual marriages are in trouble because gay people might someday have such a right in a few states. The crisis was so dire that he implored Congress to pass a constitutional amendment to permanently take away any rights gay men and lesbians might have to equal access to government benefits of marriage. The Republican leaderships in both houses of Congress brought this amendment to the floor. Anyone watching the debate would cringe at the dehumanizing and painful things said by Republican sponsors of the proposal about gay people. All of the Cheneys have sat back as senators and members of Congress who stood up for their position against the constitutional amendment were attacked in campaigns across the country. In Texas, North Dakota, South Carolina, Oklahoma, North Carolina and elsewhere, Republican candidates are using the gay issue against Democrats who have done nothing more than vote to protect the notion of fairness and equality in our Constitution. Where is the outrage of Dick and Lynne Cheney over this? In August, at a town meeting, the vice president was asked to speak from the heart about gay marriage. He did. He said he was against the constitutional amendment. And he expressed love for his daughter. The country was impressed. I think the record is pretty clear that fair-minded political leaders didn’t talk publicly about Mary Cheney until her father did. All of a sudden it was clear to John Kerry and John Edwards that if the Bush campaign tried to attack them on the gay marriage issue, they should just respond by saying they had the same position on this issue as Dick Cheney. That is certainly the advice I gave them. How dare the president criticize Kerry, as he did again the other night, for taking the same position as Dick Cheney? And we know that anti-gay messages are being promoted in many districts around the country to get out the evangelical vote for President Bush on Election Day. The silent but admirable Mary Cheney has remained a loyal daughter and foot soldier in this homophobic campaign. I feel sorry for her — sorry that she seems to now be a pawn in this race. But the perpetrator is not Kerry. This issue is in the campaign because Bush sought political advantage by using it all year. This week’s outrage rings so false it makes my ears hurt. _____ The writer is former chairman and chief executive of the Recording Industry Association of America and a volunteer for gay rights causes. (c) 2004 The Washington Post Company       Posted via TITANnews – Uncensored Newsgroups Access             at http://www.TitanNews.com <<<< -=Every Newsgroup – Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=-

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Paul, that was quite eloquent. Becoming your enemy are you?

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80% Your source please. Otherwise this is an example of How to lie with statistics.

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80% Your source please. Otherwise this is an example of How to lie with statistics.

Lol, I heard this one on MSNBC. I heard from a friend though that 73.44% of all statistics are made up on the spot, and MSNBC is not the most reliable fact checker in the business. I actually believe that the number is probably much higher. paul arizona

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