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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Brewing houses are always having this problem of clogging issues. Where does Diet Coke fit in? Post something useful… A friend of mine has shared an interesting experience with diet cola.  She is a manager for a major hotel-hospitality chain. She says that the sodas  are fed through pipes and hoses from a central area to the different  restaurants and snack bars in the hotel. This central area contains big containers  of soda syrops that are mixed with water and CO2 and are also cooled by a refrigeration system. She has noticed instances when the hoses hooked up  to the diet cola syrop bottles have gotten plugged up. When that happens, a service person is called in to unclog the hoses so they can resume  access to the diet cola. She says that this happens in intervals ranging from 6 months, to 1 year or 2 years. And it only occurs with the diet cola.  That makes one wonder: is it  the aspartame in the diet cola that causes the hoses to clog up? And if it is, what effect can this have on the human  body? Several scientists have said that we are still in the early stages of research in this area (the effects of aspartame). In other words, time  will tell whether the benefits of diet cola will outweigh its effects. That’s something to think about. John, may I call you John, I’d really appreciate it if you’d post something that’s actually factual rather than this baloney conjecture. And I’d really appreciate it if you’d peddle your secrets to weight maintenance elsewhere. The secrets are here, I guess: http://www.nulife-weightloss.com Just one guy’s opinion here. I can’t speak for anyone else. The Diet coke thing happens to other flavors and brands as well. In my restaurants, we cleaned all our lines monthly and it should be done for sanitation reasons at least that often and check the brix on the machines at the same time. Non-diet soda syrups contain sugar which can ferment or crystallize. Diet sodas have no sugar, so they have other ingredients like gums to make them feel right in our mouths, and they can aggregate. You might ask if they use figals or boxes for their syrups and how many jumps they rig. Your friend will understand all these technical terms. But ask, just for curiosity’s sake. High volume operation like that and they don’t clean their lines until they clog? Hmmmmmmm I’d appreciate it if you could get me in touch with those several scientists you mention so I can ask them some questions. Pastorio — John Tiniakos http://www.nulife-weightloss.com Tired of diets that fail? Finally-there is an answer to permanent weight loss. I just spoke to my friend that gave me the diet cola story. True, she said, other soda flavors, as well as beer, also clog the lines. But diet cola causes the most problems by far.

Seems like a slightly different story than you told at first. This is simply crap.  She said, even the service repair person that cleans the lines complained that this is a common problem with many other similar establishments.

John, I’ve been in foodservice for more than 3 decades. Clogged lines are a sign of bad sanitation practices. This is simply crap. About the sweetener topic-studies done on sweeteners have shown that aspartame and acesuleame-k when consumed in moderate quantities are safe. Although since these products haven’t been around for along time, it is difficult to say-according to scientists-

Lose the "according to scientists" unless you name them. This is simply crap. what effects these could have by the later stages of a subjects life.

Obviously you don’t know how long they’re been available and how they’ve been studied. This is simply crap. In other words they haven’t gotten the entire picture yet. Although, there are so many conflicting studies constantly going on, that it’s hard to come up with a solid conlusion. And when you do, another study-it seems-shoots down that theory.

Generalizations with no substantial utility. Nothing to do with this non-information. This is simply crap. Another sweetener, saccharin,  has been shown to cause cancer in animals, and therefore is subject to controversy, but is still sold in stores. On the other hand, cyclamate- yet another sweetener-has been banned in the US.

John go away. You’re talking ignorant crap and the only reason you’re here is to sell your diet program. You haven’t posted anything supportive, constructive, informative or anything other than crap. And I mean that in the nicest way possible. Pastorio

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<snip Another sweetener, saccharin,  has been shown to cause cancer in animals, and therefore is subject to controversy, but is still sold in stores. On the other hand, cyclamate- yet another sweetener-has been banned in the US.

Ya know, I hear cancer is hereditary in lab mice. revek

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<snip Another sweetener, saccharin,  has been shown to cause cancer in animals, and therefore is subject to controversy, but is still sold in stores. On the other hand, cyclamate- yet another sweetener-has been banned in the US. Ya know, I hear cancer is hereditary in lab mice.

Not only that, it causes male pattern baldness in researchers. Um, male researchers… No. seriously… I bought some cyclamates in Canada and smuggled them over the border right out in the open on the back seat of my van. I feel like such a master criminal. Next, I may bring back some cheese or wine or something. Maybe postcards to prove I was there. Cyclamates are banned in the US because of some profoundly spurious "research" in the 60s. Pastorio

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Hi, I was drinking Diet Pepsi by the liter … then I read the Atkins diet book. He strongly recommends not using any products with Aspartame in it.  After reading that, I did some research on the Internet on why I shouldn’t …. I came across this website. http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/ Dr. Atkins implied that not only is aspartame dangerous, but it also inhibits weight loss on his diet. I’m not pushing anything.  Just putting this out since there’s a thread on aspartame.  The warning on sacharrine causing cancer has been revised and it is no longer on the "real bad for you" list.  Atkins recommends the use of Splenda or Sweet n Low as an artificial sweetener safe to use that doesn’t sabotage the diet. Regards, Suzanne

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip Another sweetener, saccharin,  has been shown to cause cancer in animals, and therefore is subject to controversy, but is still sold in stores. On the other hand, cyclamate- yet another sweetener-has been banned in the US. Ya know, I hear cancer is hereditary in lab mice. Not only that, it causes male pattern baldness in researchers. Um, male researchers… No. seriously… I bought some cyclamates in Canada and smuggled them over the border right out in the open on the back seat of my van. I feel like such a master criminal. Next, I may bring back some cheese or wine or something. Maybe postcards to prove I was there. Cyclamates are banned in the US because of some profoundly spurious "research" in the 60s. Pastorio

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Really John, that is one of the bigger stretches i have ever seen. the syrup that makes soft drinks stops up and therefore it must stop up your body, and is somehow related to aspartame.  That is such a stretch.  Artificial sweeteners are some of the worlds most researched food additives.  They have done countless studies on aspartame and all have found aspartame safe.  the NIH did one just last year that found that apsartame is safe.  this is one thing people just need to let go.

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Hi, Dr. Atkins, in his diet book recommends against anything containing aspartame.  In his section called "Engine Stalled?  How to Get Past a Plateau", he says "Avoid aspartame.  Although the cause is as yet unknown, clinical observations show that certain individuals find weight loss slows with excessive intake of aspartame, the artificial sweetener sold as NutraSweet and Equal. Regards, Suzanne

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Really John, that is one of the bigger stretches i have ever seen. the syrup that makes soft drinks stops up and therefore it must stop up your body, and is somehow related to aspartame.  That is such a stretch.  Artificial sweeteners are some of the worlds most researched food additives.  They have done countless studies on aspartame and all have found aspartame safe.  the NIH did one just last year that found that apsartame is safe.  this is one thing people just need to let go.

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Hey, I ORDER cyclamates online and have them SHIPPED from Canada! How do you like that? It’s a wonder the FBI is not yet on my doorstep. Debbie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I bought some cyclamates in Canada and smuggled them over the border right out in the open on the back seat of my van. I feel like such a master criminal. Next, I may bring back some cheese or wine or something. Maybe postcards to prove I was there.

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A notoriously and infamously spurious website. Debbie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – reading that, I did some research on the Internet on why I shouldn’t …. I came across this website. http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/

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 Artificial sweeteners are some of the worlds most researched food additives.  They have done countless studies on aspartame and all have found aspartame safe.  the NIH did one just last year that found that apsartame is safe.  this is one thing people just need to let go.

When I was on low-fat I was POSITIVE that aspartame gave me headaches. Never once paying attention that it might be the rice and other carbs with hardly no protein or fat that I was eating WITH the diet coke that was giving me the headache.  Since I’ve been LC I am not a huge user of sugar substitutes but I do use it in an occasional decaf coffee or iced tea and sometimes I do have a soda and it has never given me a headache.

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Perhaps … but it was only one of many negative articles on websites that I read, and since there are so many other alternatives.  That, combined with Atkins recommendation against using anything with aspartame in it convinced me to use alternatives. Regards, Suzanne

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A notoriously and infamously spurious website. Debbie reading that, I did some research on the Internet on why I shouldn’t …. I came across this website. http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/

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Yes but that’s different than claiming aspartame is a toxin, and it will "stop up" the body. revek In our last episode, Suzanne said: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Dr. Atkins, in his diet book recommends against anything containing aspartame.  In his section called "Engine Stalled?  How to Get Past a Plateau", he says "Avoid aspartame.  Although the cause is as yet unknown, clinical observations show that certain individuals find weight loss slows with excessive intake of aspartame, the artificial sweetener sold as NutraSweet and Equal. Regards, Suzanne Really John, that is one of the bigger stretches i have ever seen. the syrup that makes soft drinks stops up and therefore it must stop up your body, and is somehow related to aspartame.  That is such a stretch.  Artificial sweeteners are some of the worlds most researched food additives.  They have done countless studies on aspartame and all have found aspartame safe.  the NIH did one just last year that found that apsartame is safe.  this is one thing people just need to let go.

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Absolultely … that is pure fiction. Regards, Suzanne

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes but that’s different than claiming aspartame is a toxin, and it will "stop up" the body. revek In our last episode, Suzanne said: Hi, Dr. Atkins, in his diet book recommends against anything containing aspartame.  In his section called "Engine Stalled?  How to Get Past a Plateau", he says "Avoid aspartame.  Although the cause is as yet unknown, clinical observations show that certain individuals find weight loss slows with excessive intake of aspartame, the artificial sweetener sold as NutraSweet and Equal. Regards, Suzanne Really John, that is one of the bigger stretches i have ever seen. the syrup that makes soft drinks stops up and therefore it must stop up your body, and is somehow related to aspartame.  That is such a stretch.  Artificial sweeteners are some of the worlds most researched food additives.  They have done countless studies on aspartame and all have found aspartame safe.  the NIH did one just last year that found that apsartame is safe.  this is one thing people just need to let go.

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A friend of mine has shared an interesting experience with diet cola. She is a manager for a major hotel-hospitality chain. She says that the sodas are fed through pipes and hoses from a central area to the different restaurants and snack bars in the hotel. This central area contains big containers of soda syrops that are mixed with water and CO2 and are also cooled by a refrigeration system. She has noticed instances when the hoses hooked up to the diet cola syrop bottles have gotten plugged up. When that happens, a service person is called in to unclog the hoses so they can resume access to the diet cola. She says that this happens in intervals ranging from 6 months, to 1 year or 2 years. And it only occurs with the diet cola. That makes one wonder: is it  the aspartame in the diet cola that causes the hoses to clog up? And if it is, what effect can this have on the human body? Several scientists have said that we are still in the early stages of research in this area (the effects of aspartame). In other words, time will tell whether the benefits of diet cola will outweigh its effects. That’s something to think about. — John Tiniakos http://www.nulife-weightloss.com Tired of diets that fail? Finally-there is an answer to permanent weight loss.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A friend of mine has shared an interesting experience with diet cola. She is a manager for a major hotel-hospitality chain. She says that the sodas are fed through pipes and hoses from a central area to the different restaurants and snack bars in the hotel. This central area contains big containers of soda syrops that are mixed with water and CO2 and are also cooled by a refrigeration system. She has noticed instances when the hoses hooked up to the diet cola syrop bottles have gotten plugged up. When that happens, a service person is called in to unclog the hoses so they can resume access to the diet cola. She says that this happens in intervals ranging from 6 months, to 1 year or 2 years. And it only occurs with the diet cola. That makes one wonder: is it  the aspartame in the diet cola that causes the hoses to clog up? And if it is, what effect can this have on the human body? Several scientists have said that we are still in the early stages of research in this area (the effects of aspartame). In other words, time will tell whether the benefits of diet cola will outweigh its effects. That’s something to think about.

John, may I call you John, I’d really appreciate it if you’d post something that’s actually factual rather than this baloney conjecture. And I’d really appreciate it if you’d peddle your secrets to weight maintenance elsewhere. The secrets are here, I guess: http://www.nulife-weightloss.com Just one guy’s opinion here. I can’t speak for anyone else. The Diet coke thing happens to other flavors and brands as well. In my restaurants, we cleaned all our lines monthly and it should be done for sanitation reasons at least that often and check the brix on the machines at the same time. Non-diet soda syrups contain sugar which can ferment or crystallize. Diet sodas have no sugar, so they have other ingredients like gums to make them feel right in our mouths, and they can aggregate. You might ask if they use figals or boxes for their syrups and how many jumps they rig. Your friend will understand all these technical terms. But ask, just for curiosity’s sake. High volume operation like that and they don’t clean their lines until they clog? Hmmmmmmm I’d appreciate it if you could get me in touch with those several scientists you mention so I can ask them some questions. Pastorio – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — John Tiniakos http://www.nulife-weightloss.com Tired of diets that fail? Finally-there is an answer to permanent weight loss.

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You can’t blame this one on aspartame, since the syrup used in fountain soft drinks do not contain aspartame. They use saccharin instead. Have a nice day.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A friend of mine has shared an interesting experience with diet cola. She is a manager for a major hotel-hospitality chain. She says that the sodas are fed through pipes and hoses from a central area to the different restaurants and snack bars in the hotel. This central area contains big containers of soda syrops that are mixed with water and CO2 and are also cooled by a refrigeration system. She has noticed instances when the hoses hooked up to the diet cola syrop bottles have gotten plugged up. When that happens, a service person is called in to unclog the hoses so they can resume access to the diet cola. She says that this happens in intervals ranging from 6 months, to 1 year or 2 years. And it only occurs with the diet cola. That makes one wonder: is it  the aspartame in the diet cola that causes the hoses to clog up? And if it is, what effect can this have on the human body? Several scientists have said that we are still in the early stages of research in this area (the effects of aspartame). In other words, time will tell whether the benefits of diet cola will outweigh its effects. That’s something to think about. — John Tiniakos http://www.nulife-weightloss.com Tired of diets that fail? Finally-there is an answer to permanent weight loss.

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Brewing houses are always having this problem of clogging issues. Where does Diet Coke fit in? Post something useful…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A friend of mine has shared an interesting experience with diet cola. She is a manager for a major hotel-hospitality chain. She says that the sodas are fed through pipes and hoses from a central area to the different restaurants and snack bars in the hotel. This central area contains big containers of soda syrops that are mixed with water and CO2 and are also cooled by a refrigeration system. She has noticed instances when the hoses hooked up to the diet cola syrop bottles have gotten plugged up. When that happens, a service person is called in to unclog the hoses so they can resume access to the diet cola. She says that this happens in intervals ranging from 6 months, to 1 year or 2 years. And it only occurs with the diet cola. That makes one wonder: is it  the aspartame in the diet cola that causes the hoses to clog up? And if it is, what effect can this have on the human body? Several scientists have said that we are still in the early stages of research in this area (the effects of aspartame). In other words, time will tell whether the benefits of diet cola will outweigh its effects. That’s something to think about. John, may I call you John, I’d really appreciate it if you’d post something that’s actually factual rather than this baloney conjecture. And I’d really appreciate it if you’d peddle your secrets to weight maintenance elsewhere. The secrets are here, I guess: http://www.nulife-weightloss.com Just one guy’s opinion here. I can’t speak for anyone else. The Diet coke thing happens to other flavors and brands as well. In my restaurants, we cleaned all our lines monthly and it should be done for sanitation reasons at least that often and check the brix on the machines at the same time. Non-diet soda syrups contain sugar which can ferment or crystallize. Diet sodas have no sugar, so they have other ingredients like gums to make them feel right in our mouths, and they can aggregate. You might ask if they use figals or boxes for their syrups and how many jumps they rig. Your friend will understand all these technical terms. But ask, just for curiosity’s sake. High volume operation like that and they don’t clean their lines until they clog? Hmmmmmmm I’d appreciate it if you could get me in touch with those several scientists you mention so I can ask them some questions. Pastorio — John Tiniakos http://www.nulife-weightloss.com Tired of diets that fail? Finally-there is an answer to permanent weight loss.

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 Bob, you are right on the mark.    John is full of it.  However, I received an email about diet coke causing MS a few weeks ago so John’s disinformation/scare tactic  is pretty mild by comparison.  According to the email, diet coke was deadly.  Truth is, there are about a billion of us drinking diet coke daily without any ill effects.  And hundreds of millions of us have been drinking several cans a day for about 20 years now – without ill effects.  And for those that don’t drink diet coke, you gotta know that many millions of us drink them more because we like them than because of the diet thing.   It shouldn’t seem strange at all to see someone consuming a snickers bar and drinking a diet coke. Jim L – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A friend of mine has shared an interesting experience with diet cola. She is a manager for a major hotel-hospitality chain. She says that the sodas are fed through pipes and hoses from a central area to the different restaurants and snack bars in the hotel. This central area contains big containers of soda syrops that are mixed with water and CO2 and are also cooled by a refrigeration system. She has noticed instances when the hoses hooked up to the diet cola syrop bottles have gotten plugged up. When that happens, a service person is called in to unclog the hoses so they can resume access to the diet cola. She says that this happens in intervals ranging from 6 months, to 1 year or 2 years. And it only occurs with the diet cola. That makes one wonder: is it  the aspartame in the diet cola that causes the hoses to clog up? And if it is, what effect can this have on the human body? Several scientists have said that we are still in the early stages of research in this area (the effects of aspartame). In other words, time will tell whether the benefits of diet cola will outweigh its effects. That’s something to think about. John, may I call you John, I’d really appreciate it if you’d post something that’s actually factual rather than this baloney conjecture. And I’d really appreciate it if you’d peddle your secrets to weight maintenance elsewhere. The secrets are here, I guess: http://www.nulife-weightloss.com Just one guy’s opinion here. I can’t speak for anyone else. The Diet coke thing happens to other flavors and brands as well. In my restaurants, we cleaned all our lines monthly and it should be done for sanitation reasons at least that often and check the brix on the machines at the same time. Non-diet soda syrups contain sugar which can ferment or crystallize. Diet sodas have no sugar, so they have other ingredients like gums to make them feel right in our mouths, and they can aggregate. You might ask if they use figals or boxes for their syrups and how many jumps they rig. Your friend will understand all these technical terms. But ask, just for curiosity’s sake. High volume operation like that and they don’t clean their lines until they clog? Hmmmmmmm I’d appreciate it if you could get me in touch with those several scientists you mention so I can ask them some questions. Pastorio — John Tiniakos http://www.nulife-weightloss.com Tired of diets that fail? Finally-there is an answer to permanent weight loss.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Brewing houses are always having this problem of clogging issues. Where does Diet Coke fit in? Post something useful… A friend of mine has shared an interesting experience with diet cola.  She is a manager for a major hotel-hospitality chain. She says that the sodas  are fed through pipes and hoses from a central area to the different  restaurants and snack bars in the hotel. This central area contains big containers  of soda syrops that are mixed with water and CO2 and are also cooled by a refrigeration system. She has noticed instances when the hoses hooked up  to the diet cola syrop bottles have gotten plugged up. When that happens, a service person is called in to unclog the hoses so they can resume  access to the diet cola. She says that this happens in intervals ranging from 6 months, to 1 year or 2 years. And it only occurs with the diet cola.  That makes one wonder: is it  the aspartame in the diet cola that causes the hoses to clog up? And if it is, what effect can this have on the human  body? Several scientists have said that we are still in the early stages of research in this area (the effects of aspartame). In other words, time  will tell whether the benefits of diet cola will outweigh its effects. That’s something to think about. John, may I call you John, I’d really appreciate it if you’d post something that’s actually factual rather than this baloney conjecture. And I’d really appreciate it if you’d peddle your secrets to weight maintenance elsewhere. The secrets are here, I guess: http://www.nulife-weightloss.com Just one guy’s opinion here. I can’t speak for anyone else. The Diet coke thing happens to other flavors and brands as well. In my restaurants, we cleaned all our lines monthly and it should be done for sanitation reasons at least that often and check the brix on the machines at the same time. Non-diet soda syrups contain sugar which can ferment or crystallize. Diet sodas have no sugar, so they have other ingredients like gums to make them feel right in our mouths, and they can aggregate. You might ask if they use figals or boxes for their syrups and how many jumps they rig. Your friend will understand all these technical terms. But ask, just for curiosity’s sake. High volume operation like that and they don’t clean their lines until they clog? Hmmmmmmm I’d appreciate it if you could get me in touch with those several scientists you mention so I can ask them some questions. Pastorio — John Tiniakos http://www.nulife-weightloss.com Tired of diets that fail? Finally-there is an answer to permanent weight loss.

I just spoke to my friend that gave me the diet cola story. True, she said, other soda flavors, as well as beer, also clog the lines. But diet cola causes the most problems by far. She said, even the service repair person that cleans the lines complained that this is a common problem with many other similar establishments. About the sweetener topic-studies done on sweeteners have shown that aspartame and acesuleame-k when consumed in moderate quantities are safe. Although since these products haven’t been around for along time, it is difficult to say-according to scientists-what effects these could have by the later stages of a subjects life. In other words they haven’t gotten the entire picture yet. Although, there are so many conflicting studies constantly going on, that it’s hard to come up with a solid conlusion. And when you do, another study-it seems-shoots down that theory. Another sweetener, saccharin,  has been shown to cause cancer in animals, and therefore is subject to controversy, but is still sold in stores. On the other hand, cyclamate- yet another sweetener-has been banned in the US.

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