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Scott said…. Certainly leaves the disaster that is MEL for dead. What, even the restaurant sections near the international terminal??

You betcha. My carry-on will include anywhere from 750ml to 3l of water, depending

on I noticed that a few pax had their own bottled water. Will do that next time.

Always essentials: Water, laptop, reading material, m:robe, writing material. the flight duration.  Even in QF J across the Pacific, you can’t count on it being served. Yeah? QF in cattle class was offering it with the meals as well as coming around with cups afterwards. Even offered Magnum icecreams as a dessert.

I was writing specifically of long periods or turbulence across the Pacific. The QF Y and J services SYD-PER are almost as good as international – better in some respects (such as the magnums).  You can even get tea in a mug in J.

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troppo said…. You didnt know how VB works before you got on? silly person!

Obviously. I fly mostly Int’l. This trip to PER was my second domestic flight ever (the first one was a quick trip to OOL via Ansett 10 years ago). Besides, what’s there to know how an airline "works"? In the past, they were all pretty much the same…. Anyway, it dozen madder. I’ve now done the VB experience. Think I’ll stick with QF..

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But amazingly on my returned trip from Darwin to Adelaide on a B767, they gave us a sumptuous meal with Stainless steel cutlery and a decent glass to drink out of. The service was very good, considering it was cattle class. Sometimes you can be lucky.

Darwin Adelaide on a 767 is almost certainly QF82…an international service. JB

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – troppo said…. You didnt know how VB works before you got on? silly person! Obviously. I fly mostly Int’l. This trip to PER was my second domestic flight ever (the first one was a quick trip to OOL via Ansett 10 years ago). Besides, what’s there to know how an airline "works"? In the past, they were all pretty much the same…. Anyway, it dozen madder. I’ve now done the VB experience. Think I’ll stick with QF..

Now if you want a ‘real’ experience, try Jetstar….

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Especially if you spend 2 hours straight with the seatbelt signs on…. A real pain when you have spent three hours in the Qantas Pub prior to departure.

What?  You do that?  Never…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just spent a few days in Perth. First time that I’ve flown domestic in some years, and a first with VB and Qantas domestic. Flew there with QF. Couldn’t get a return flight with QF, so was forced to go with VB. QF cost us $430, 2 pax, one way, VB $427. Both pre-booked 2 months in advance. Flew out Sat evening on a 767-300 (I think). Seats typical cattle class, but tolerable as the missus and I were able to spread ourselves across a couple of empty rows. Food, well, typical airline fare. Movie good (Million dollar baby). Overall, enjoyable flight. At PER domestic, forced to sit in aircraft as the terminal gate we were heading to had a fault. Had to be towed to another gate. Dunno why the crew couldn’t taxi to it themselves. Then at baggage claim, the belt broke. Had to wait til they got another one running before claiming our luggage. (more whinging about PER Domestic later) Perth’s a beautiful city. Checked out Freo. Cheap public transport, clean, not sullied or vandalised. Nice restaurants, pubs, etc. Lots to do. Trip home was, well, "memorable". (The senior FA welcomed us to the flight and wished us a memorable flight. I said to the missus, – I hope that it’s not THAT memorable…) 737-800 with seats designed for kids, I’m sure of it. 2 rows of 3 seats. No inflight entertainment, other than whatever was playing on the radio that you plug headsets into. And you had to buy them. They were little more than el-cheapo earbud types. As it was a late arvo, early evening flight, expected dinner. Yep, there was, but had to pay for it. $8.50 for what’s essentially a $4 frozen TV dinner was a tad rich, I thought. Thankfully, though, they had a vegetarian meal that the missus could eat (the QF ordered and supplied vege meal was quite delicious, according to her). Perth airport (Domestic) leaves a lot to be desired. Because of our check in times, we didn’t have time to get lunch in town. So, we hunted down a kiosk that sold pies, pasties and stale sandwiches. I know it’s not MEL, but I expected something a tad better. Oh well. Thing is, with VB, even water had to be paid for. At $3 a pop for a 300ml bottle, it ain’t cheap. I s’pose I could’ve gone for a walk to the dunny and drunk out of the tap there. I would have thought that with the DVT issues that VB would have at least offered this as a complimentary service. $3 for a crappy tasting teabag tea and lukewarm water was also something that made the trip home "memorable". If the tickets were significantly cheaper than the QF ones, perhaps I could understand, but they weren’t. Actual flights by both airlines went without a hitch. No delays, no hiccups, smooth ride, etc.

  I remeber a few years back, they were serving up those cheap shoddy cardboard boxes   with contents that left little to be desired. This consisted of:  (1) Small bottle of water (2) A scrawny little bread roll with beef and cheese (3) A chocolate bar the size of my smallest finger. On my first trip to BNE I handed it back to the Flt Steward. I told him that my dog gets better food than that. On my last trip to ASP, I examined the contetnts of the box. Placed it carefully on the floor and stomped my foot on it. But amazingly on my returned trip from Darwin to Adelaide on a B767, they gave us a sumptuous meal with Stainless steel cutlery and a decent glass to drink out of. The service was very good, considering it was cattle class. Sometimes you can be lucky.

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Sylvia said…. Well, yes, that’s my point. 95 degrees is plenty hot enough, unless you’re a tea connoisseur. Which I am.

I guess that’s taken moving to Aspen off your agenda then Sylvia.

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You didnt know how VB works before you got on? silly person!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just spent a few days in Perth. First time that I’ve flown domestic in some years, and a first with VB and Qantas domestic. Flew there with QF. Couldn’t get a return flight with QF, so was forced to go with VB. QF cost us $430, 2 pax, one way, VB $427. Both pre-booked 2 months in advance. Flew out Sat evening on a 767-300 (I think). Seats typical cattle class, but tolerable as the missus and I were able to spread ourselves across a couple of empty rows. Food, well, typical airline fare. Movie good (Million dollar baby). Overall, enjoyable flight. At PER domestic, forced to sit in aircraft as the terminal gate we were heading to had a fault. Had to be towed to another gate. Dunno why the crew couldn’t taxi to it themselves. Then at baggage claim, the belt broke. Had to wait til they got another one running before claiming our luggage. (more whinging about PER Domestic later) Perth’s a beautiful city. Checked out Freo. Cheap public transport, clean, not sullied or vandalised. Nice restaurants, pubs, etc. Lots to do. Trip home was, well, "memorable". (The senior FA welcomed us to the flight and wished us a memorable flight. I said to the missus, – I hope that it’s not THAT memorable…) 737-800 with seats designed for kids, I’m sure of it. 2 rows of 3 seats. No inflight entertainment, other than whatever was playing on the radio that you plug headsets into. And you had to buy them. They were little more than el-cheapo earbud types. As it was a late arvo, early evening flight, expected dinner. Yep, there was, but had to pay for it. $8.50 for what’s essentially a $4 frozen TV dinner was a tad rich, I thought. Thankfully, though, they had a vegetarian meal that the missus could eat (the QF ordered and supplied vege meal was quite delicious, according to her). Perth airport (Domestic) leaves a lot to be desired. Because of our check in times, we didn’t have time to get lunch in town. So, we hunted down a kiosk that sold pies, pasties and stale sandwiches. I know it’s not MEL, but I expected something a tad better. Oh well. Thing is, with VB, even water had to be paid for. At $3 a pop for a 300ml bottle, it ain’t cheap. I s’pose I could’ve gone for a walk to the dunny and drunk out of the tap there. I would have thought that with the DVT issues that VB would have at least offered this as a complimentary service. $3 for a crappy tasting teabag tea and lukewarm water was also something that made the trip home "memorable". If the tickets were significantly cheaper than the QF ones, perhaps I could understand, but they weren’t. Actual flights by both airlines went without a hitch. No delays, no hiccups, smooth ride, etc.

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Scott said…. As you head towards the QF Pub escalators, there’s a place on the right, sunken floor, does pretty decent food.  Steak sandwiches with real steak, couple of pasta varieties – some of the best real food you will find in an Australian domestic terminal.

Oh, didn’t see that. Drat. Next time, if there’s a next time – the missus wants to do a mother daughter thing and take the daughter over there for a week or so before she starts settling into mother mode… Certainly leaves the disaster that is MEL for dead.

What, even the restaurant sections near the international terminal?? My carry-on will include anywhere from 750ml to 3l of water, depending on

I noticed that a few pax had their own bottled water. Will do that next time. the flight duration.  Even in QF J across the Pacific, you can’t count on it being served.

Yeah? QF in cattle class was offering it with the meals as well as coming around with cups afterwards. Even offered Magnum icecreams as a dessert.

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Scott said…. Next time, you MUST check out "Che Jean-Claude Patisserie" in Leaderville.

We only had 3 days there. More of a "recon" trip. Main sights were Freo , the Italian restaurants there and the prison, Subiaco Markets, and the obligatory tramping around Perth’s CBD shopping malls. Me, I was happy to prop in this "Micro Brewery – Nail Ale" pub on Murray St near the hotel and watch the MotoGP standing order with my staff in Perth that whenever I’m in town, it’s on the itinerary. Daily, if possible.

I take it a patisserie’s a bakery of sorts? If so, my diet precludes such luxuries. Mainly due to a lifetime of over-indulgance when younger….

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Especially if you spend 2 hours straight with the seatbelt signs on….

A real pain when you have spent three hours in the Qantas Pub prior to departure. A CSM said they had never seen anyone bolt so quickly from their WHY seat to the loo before….. Was on an SP too, and was in zone 2, and the loos were right at the back, so they weren’t overly close….. Dave ===== NSW Rural Fire Service – become a volunteer today. http://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/

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duffo21 said…. Perth airport (Domestic) leaves a lot to be desired. Because of our check in times, we didn’t have time to get lunch in town. So, we hunted down a kiosk that sold pies, pasties and stale sandwiches. I know it’s not MEL, but I expected something a tad better. Oh well. Man, you should see it at like 1030pm at night when the 3 red eyes are getting processed.  450 passengers trying to get through an inadequately sized check in facility in the space of an hour.  Been there, done that…..

I can imagine. One thing that struck me as odd, was the VB only had one check in counter operating and that fellow also manned the gate (set the jet bridge up to the A/C etc). Must be one hell of a tight operation. Hope Patrick gets its money’s worth if it takes over the company…

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Sylvia said…. Well, yes, that’s my point. 95 degrees is plenty hot enough, unless you’re a tea connoisseur.

Which I am. I can’t stand that Liptons crap that people insist on offering me when I visit or that workplaces offer their customers or employees. I’m a Tetley Big Cuppa fellow, myself. Or at night, I’m trying Tetley’s new de-caff version. I actually take my own to work for nightshift, as they won’t supply de-caff as well as caff versions of the Bushells tea that they supply.

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Perth’s a beautiful city. Checked out Freo. Cheap public transport, clean, not sullied or vandalised. Nice restaurants, pubs, etc. Lots to do.

Next time, you MUST check out "Che Jean-Claude Patisserie" in Leaderville. Seriously addictive treats – I have a standing order with my staff in Perth that whenever I’m in town, it’s on the itinerary. Daily, if possible.

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At PER domestic, forced to sit in aircraft as the terminal gate we were heading to had a fault. Had to be towed to another gate. Dunno why the crew couldn’t taxi to it themselves. Actual flights by both airlines went without a hitch. No delays, no hiccups, smooth ride, etc.

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Flew there with QF. Couldn’t get a return flight with QF, so was forced to go with VB.

Yech! Then at baggage claim, the belt broke. Had to wait til they got another one running before claiming our luggage. (more whinging about PER Domestic later)

Dunno how you noticed, PER domestic baggage handling is appalling. Perth airport (Domestic) leaves a lot to be desired. Because of our check in times, we didn’t have time to get lunch in town. So, we hunted down a kiosk that sold pies, pasties and stale sandwiches. I know it’s not MEL, but I expected something a tad better. Oh well.

As you head towards the QF Pub escalators, there’s a place on the right, sunken floor, does pretty decent food.  Steak sandwiches with real steak, couple of pasta varieties – some of the best real food you will find in an Australian domestic terminal. Certainly leaves the disaster that is MEL for dead.   Thing is, with VB, even water had to be paid for. At $3 a pop for a 300ml bottle, it ain’t cheap. I s’pose I could’ve gone for a walk to the dunny and drunk out of the tap there. I would have thought that with the DVT issues that VB would have at least offered this as a complimentary service. $3 for a crappy tasting teabag tea and lukewarm water was also something that made the trip home "memorable".

My carry-on will include anywhere from 750ml to 3l of water, depending on the flight duration.  Even in QF J across the Pacific, you can’t count on it being served. Especially if you spend 2 hours straight with the seatbelt signs on….

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Well, there’s something to know in case any cabin crew try to fob one off with claims that it’s the low pressure that prevents them delivering adequately hot water.

In theory, at 29,000ft the boiling point would be around 70 degrees. I’m not going to climb Mt Everest to prove this one, but perhaps they could claim no cabin pressure as the cause… shortly before they passed out due to hypoxia

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Sylvia said…. Well, there’s something to know in case any cabin crew try to fob one off with claims that it’s the low pressure that prevents them delivering adequately hot water.

I doubt that they’d be aware of this concept. In any case, 95 degs is 95 degs, whether it’s boiling or not…..

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Sylvia said…. Well, there’s something to know in case any cabin crew try to fob one off with claims that it’s the low pressure that prevents them delivering adequately hot water. I doubt that they’d be aware of this concept. In any case, 95 degs is 95 degs, whether it’s boiling or not…..

Well, yes, that’s my point. 95 degrees is plenty hot enough, unless you’re a tea connoisseur. Sylvia.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just spent a few days in Perth. First time that I’ve flown domestic in some years, and a first with VB and Qantas domestic. Flew there with QF. Couldn’t get a return flight with QF, so was forced to go with VB. QF cost us $430, 2 pax, one way, VB $427. Both pre-booked 2 months in advance. Flew out Sat evening on a 767-300 (I think). Seats typical cattle class, but tolerable as the missus and I were able to spread ourselves across a couple of empty rows. Food, well, typical airline fare. Movie good (Million dollar baby). Overall, enjoyable flight. At PER domestic, forced to sit in aircraft as the terminal gate we were heading to had a fault. Had to be towed to another gate. Dunno why the crew couldn’t taxi to it themselves. Then at baggage claim, the belt broke. Had to wait til they got another one running before claiming our luggage. (more whinging about PER Domestic later) Perth’s a beautiful city.

yeah.  I really enjoyed it too the last time I went.  The CBD is small though compared to eastern cities.  The skyline has got like 6 skyscrapers!!!  But yes, definately worth the trip if ya going on holiday Checked out Freo. Cheap public transport, clean, not sullied or vandalised. Nice restaurants, pubs, etc. Lots to do.

Obviously didn’t take a trip to Rockingham…… :-s – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Trip home was, well, "memorable". (The senior FA welcomed us to the flight and wished us a memorable flight. I said to the missus, – I hope that it’s not THAT memorable…) 737-800 with seats designed for kids, I’m sure of it. 2 rows of 3 seats. No inflight entertainment, other than whatever was playing on the radio that you plug headsets into. And you had to buy them. They were little more than el-cheapo earbud types. As it was a late arvo, early evening flight, expected dinner. Yep, there was, but had to pay for it. $8.50 for what’s essentially a $4 frozen TV dinner was a tad rich, I thought. Thankfully, though, they had a vegetarian meal that the missus could eat (the QF ordered and supplied vege meal was quite delicious, according to her). Perth airport (Domestic) leaves a lot to be desired. Because of our check in times, we didn’t have time to get lunch in town. So, we hunted down a kiosk that sold pies, pasties and stale sandwiches. I know it’s not MEL, but I expected something a tad better. Oh well.

Man, you should see it at like 1030pm at night when the 3 red eyes are getting processed.  450 passengers trying to get through an inadequately sized check in facility in the space of an hour.  Been there, done that….. Thing is, with VB, even water had to be paid for. At $3 a pop for a 300ml bottle, it ain’t cheap. I s’pose I could’ve gone for a walk to the dunny and drunk out of the tap there. I would have thought that with the DVT issues that VB would have at least offered this as a complimentary service. $3 for a crappy tasting teabag tea and lukewarm water was also something that made the trip home "memorable". If the tickets were significantly cheaper than the QF ones, perhaps I could understand, but they weren’t. Actual flights by both airlines went without a hitch. No delays, no hiccups, smooth ride, etc.

Yeah, I live in Brissy.  4 hrs of black duffo21

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Anyone offhand know the boiling point of water at 8000 ft? Aspen High School reported it to be 95.5 at 8000ft with an ambient air temperature of 22.88. Aspen Middle School reported it to be 95.35 at 8000ft with an ambient air temperature of 23.625 http://www.k12science.org/curriculum/boilproj/boilproj_old/F98uncheck…

Thanks Andrew. Well, there’s something to know in case any cabin crew try to fob one off with claims that it’s the low pressure that prevents them delivering adequately hot water. Sylvia.

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@gmail.com: Thing is, with VB, even water had to be paid for. At $3 a pop for a 300ml bottle, it ain’t cheap. I s’pose I could’ve gone for a walk to the dunny and drunk out of the tap there. I would have thought that with the DVT issues that VB would have at least offered this as a complimentary service. $3 for a crappy tasting teabag tea and lukewarm water was also something that made the trip home "memorable".

Water you have to pay for.. BUT ice is free So I discovered on a trip with VB to Adelaide (and back again).

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Anyone offhand know the boiling point of water at 8000 ft?

Aspen High School reported it to be 95.5 at 8000ft with an ambient air temperature of 22.88. Aspen Middle School reported it to be 95.35 at 8000ft with an ambient air temperature of 23.625 http://www.k12science.org/curriculum/boilproj/boilproj_old/F98uncheck… Cheers, Andrew.

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Thing is, with VB, even water had to be paid for. At $3 a pop for a 300ml bottle, it ain’t cheap.

’s odd. I remember being on VB once, before take off, and I had a splitting headache. I wanted to take some pills. Since we were in a seat-belts on period, I asked the stewardess to get me some water. She returned with a bottle of the stuff, with the comment that she couldn’t reach the water tap, and so was just giving me a bottle. So I think you can have plain water without having to pay for it – but if you’re willing to pay for a bottle, they’re willing to sell it to you. BTW, if the water provided for the tea is lukewarm, then demand that it be replaced. You have no more obligation to accept it there than in other other circumstance where you’ve paid for tea. Anyone offhand know the boiling point of water at 8000 ft? Sylvia.

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Just spent a few days in Perth. First time that I’ve flown domestic in some years, and a first with VB and Qantas domestic. Flew there with QF. Couldn’t get a return flight with QF, so was forced to go with VB. QF cost us $430, 2 pax, one way, VB $427. Both pre-booked 2 months in advance. Flew out Sat evening on a 767-300 (I think). Seats typical cattle class, but tolerable as the missus and I were able to spread ourselves across a couple of empty rows. Food, well, typical airline fare. Movie good (Million dollar baby). Overall, enjoyable flight. At PER domestic, forced to sit in aircraft as the terminal gate we were heading to had a fault. Had to be towed to another gate. Dunno why the crew couldn’t taxi to it themselves. Then at baggage claim, the belt broke. Had to wait til they got another one running before claiming our luggage. (more whinging about PER Domestic later) Perth’s a beautiful city. Checked out Freo. Cheap public transport, clean, not sullied or vandalised. Nice restaurants, pubs, etc. Lots to do. Trip home was, well, "memorable". (The senior FA welcomed us to the flight and wished us a memorable flight. I said to the missus, – I hope that it’s not THAT memorable…) 737-800 with seats designed for kids, I’m sure of it. 2 rows of 3 seats. No inflight entertainment, other than whatever was playing on the radio that you plug headsets into. And you had to buy them. They were little more than el-cheapo earbud types. As it was a late arvo, early evening flight, expected dinner. Yep, there was, but had to pay for it. $8.50 for what’s essentially a $4 frozen TV dinner was a tad rich, I thought. Thankfully, though, they had a vegetarian meal that the missus could eat (the QF ordered and supplied vege meal was quite delicious, according to her). Perth airport (Domestic) leaves a lot to be desired. Because of our check in times, we didn’t have time to get lunch in town. So, we hunted down a kiosk that sold pies, pasties and stale sandwiches. I know it’s not MEL, but I expected something a tad better. Oh well. Thing is, with VB, even water had to be paid for. At $3 a pop for a 300ml bottle, it ain’t cheap. I s’pose I could’ve gone for a walk to the dunny and drunk out of the tap there. I would have thought that with the DVT issues that VB would have at least offered this as a complimentary service. $3 for a crappy tasting teabag tea and lukewarm water was also something that made the trip home "memorable". If the tickets were significantly cheaper than the QF ones, perhaps I could understand, but they weren’t. Actual flights by both airlines went without a hitch. No delays, no hiccups, smooth ride, etc.

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