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More Sanding?
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Did you know that carpentry, I.E. sawdust is worse than the dust from sanding fiberglass? The stuff is far more of a problem in the shop than the fiberglass dust. I probably should have kept the big ceiling fans going to keep the sawdust suspended so the shop filters could get it. At any rate, it’s supposed to be a bit windy this afternoon, so I figure I’ll just open the shop doors (16 X 10 on the frong and 8 X 9 on the west end of the south side. Then go stir up the dust with the air hose and let mother nature blow it out. My old buddy, the late Jack Yoder, loved wood airplanes, but after all the mess I get working with wood, I think I’ll stick with plastic airplanes.
And I thought I was the only one who felt that way. Depending on the type of wood though, I do enjoy the odor of the wood. Bob Reed www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site) KIS Cruiser in progress…Slow but steady progress…. "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!" (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)
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My old buddy, the late Jack Yoder, loved wood airplanes, but after all the mess I get working with wood, I think I’ll stick with plastic airplanes. And I thought I was the only one who felt that way. Depending on the type of wood though, I do enjoy the odor of the wood.
Most of my shop work area, with the exception of the lawn equipment area, has three layers of two part epoxy paint. The lawn equipment area has a sanded finish. There are two kinds of sawdust. One, it the stuff that is easy to sweep up. The other is extremely fine and gets into every thing. It turns the surface of that epoxy floor into the equivelant of an ice rink. It gets so slipery you have to be very careful walking. Right now the floor is so dirty that being slipery is not a problem… Once I get it cleaned, it’s gonna take me a week to chip the glue, resin, and varnish drips off the floor. — Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73) www.rogerhalstead.com N833R World’s oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bob Reed www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site) KIS Cruiser in progress…Slow but steady progress…. "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!" (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)
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Those organic vapor filters take the Acetone and Vinyl Ester Resin aromas out completely. I had been working for over an hour and repositioned the mask. You learn real quick to take a breath just prior to moving the respirator, and then blowing out, before inhaling again. <whew I didn’t realize how thick that stuff was until I inhaled, instead of blowing out the first time.
Some years ago I did industrial painting, I got the job because I had an airfed mask. One job involved a tank that need finishing before it was moved from the workshop. The company wanted me to do it right away with the staff still at work even though I warned them how toxic the fumes were, so as they requested I went ahead. Within 10 minutes one chap nearly fell off an overhead gantry, as I suggested I had to wait until evening to finish that job. I was spraying some type of two pack coating and the fumes nearly killed some of the men. — . — Cheers Jonathan, Have a look at my Local Model Aero Club site The Enniscorthy & Co Wexford MAC http://geocities.com/e_and_cw_mac Cheers Jonathan Hon. Tres. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And you’ll probably have the RV-7 finished before I get the G-III in the air. IF I had started working on it when we first brought the crate home, like I have for the past 6 months, I’d have been flying it for the last 3 or 4 years. I’m right at the stage where some one else wouldn’t see much accomplished, unless they were familiar with the plane. I’m almost up to where I’d be after just opening the crate had I purchased a "jump start" kit. <sigh That is a *lot*. BTW, our chapter has a new Tech advisor. I couldn’t place the name. Then discovered he’s hangered right beside 33 Romeo. Hey! The wind is up! That means open up all the big doors in the shop, get out the air hose, put on the respirator with the dust filters, and let nature blow the dirt outside. Time to go back to work. Good luck on the RV-7. — Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73) www.rogerhalstead.com N833R World’s oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)
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Nasty stuff that, Roger…. It was the final straw that turned me away from composite construction… BTW, the Cozy MK4 is up for sale if you happen to know anyone… The aluminum bits n pieces for the RV7are due shortly… Denny
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Halstead" My old buddy, the late Jack Yoder, loved wood airplanes, but after all the mess I get working with wood, I think I’ll stick with plastic airplanes. And I thought I was the only one who felt that way. Depending on the type of wood though, I do enjoy the odor of the wood. Most of my shop work area, with the exception of the lawn equipment area, has three layers of two part epoxy paint. The lawn equipment area has a sanded finish. There are two kinds of sawdust. One, it the stuff that is easy to sweep up. The other is extremely fine and gets into every thing. It turns the surface of that epoxy floor into the equivelant of an ice rink. It gets so slipery you have to be very careful walking. Right now the floor is so dirty that being slipery is not a problem… Once I get it cleaned, it’s gonna take me a week to chip the glue, resin, and varnish drips off the floor. — Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73) www.rogerhalstead.com N833R World’s oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2) Bob Reed www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site) KIS Cruiser in progress…Slow but steady progress…. "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!" (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)
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There are two kinds of sawdust. One, it the stuff that is easy to sweep up. The other is extremely fine and gets into every thing. It turns the surface of that epoxy floor into the equivelant of an ice rink. It gets so slipery you have to be very careful walking. Right now the floor is so dirty that being slipery is not a problem… Once I get it cleaned, it’s gonna take me a week to chip the glue, resin, and varnish drips off the floor.
At least your sawdust isn’t painful. Metal shavings from all the tube and steel in the Dyke Delta I’m building are everywhere, no matter how much I sweep. My number one rule is that my boys aren’t allowed in the garage barefoot. They’ve learned their lesson (as have I), and I have to do very little to enforce the rule.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are two kinds of sawdust. One, it the stuff that is easy to sweep up. The other is extremely fine and gets into every thing. It turns the surface of that epoxy floor into the equivelant of an ice rink. It gets so slipery you have to be very careful walking. Right now the floor is so dirty that being slipery is not a problem… Once I get it cleaned, it’s gonna take me a week to chip the glue, resin, and varnish drips off the floor. At least your sawdust isn’t painful. Metal shavings from all the tube and steel in the Dyke Delta I’m building are everywhere, no matter how much I sweep. My number one rule is that my boys aren’t allowed in the garage barefoot. They’ve learned their lesson (as have I), and I have to do very little to enforce the rule.
Yah, but… I’ve found with the machine tools that chips and shavings get embedded in the soles of my shoes and carried on into the house. I clean my shoes but don’t leave them at the door. — Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73) www.rogerhalstead.com N833R World’s oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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My, but how the laws have changed here in the states. Now when you go in a tank, it has to be purged, checked for gases, two safety men, safety line, and a whole series of vessel entry procedures.
They were trying to spray the inside of water tanks without anything but a filter, having an airfed mask allowed me to work uninhibeted. I used to do Shot-blasting so had the equipment. I used a helmet when doing open shotblasting work and had the airfed mask when using a closed cabinet. I discovered at a very early stage that when you open the door of that cabinet you risk getting a lungfull of dust and I was using "glass bead". I had a normal mask type resperator but found it very tiring breating against the filter and it could leak, so I got the airfed and found that I could work for several hours. That had a full flow aerosols and toxic fumes filter built in to the air feed, if I had continued doing that type of work I would have invested in a diaphram type of compressor just for the air feed to reduce the fumes and the ever present water. None of my filter systems could hold back the water supplied by my old – 1941 – Atlas-Copco. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In cases where what you are spraying you would have to wear at least a hood with either tank air, or system air. Where I worked even the compressed air system in the plant was preathable. They also used it for instrument air as 90% of the process control instruments were pneumatic. You should have seen the fun when the big dryers got out of time. We had instrument panels with water running out of the instruments and gauges. *That* took a while to fix and clean as well as get the airlines dried out again. "Dry" air dries out the lines, but when you many miles of them it do take a while. Some of the instruments were over half a mile from the dryer.
That’s a case of Water Water everywhere but not a drop to drink.:-) At home I have both the respirator with the different filters and a hull hood when painting with the Cyanolic <sp? paints. That hood is nice as it has a pack of very thin covers over the faceplate. When one gets covered up you just reach up, peel it off to expose the next one and you can see again. I use tank air and it is good for several hours at less than $10 a tank including regulator.
That type of setup is better than an airline as you don’t haveto trail a line with you everwhere you go, that was one of the beggest problems, the line would snag and because of the overspray it could take a long time to find where. The other that cause me the odd fright is when the compressor ran out of fuel and I was stuck in the middle of a ‘Toxic Cloud’.:-) <hdg. <Horrible Death Grin. Within 10 minutes one chap nearly fell off an overhead gantry, as I The insidious one is going underground and Nitrogen. You pass out with no warning. N2 isn’t poisonous, but it displaces the air in the tank.
Or CO2, a friend of mine was an engineer in a Brewery in Dublin, he went into a tunnel to rescue some workers, the respirator he was using had a very limited time and was part used, it soon ran out. He should never have gone in there as he had no training in rescue or in using the respirators, the gas got him and another member of the staff. Of the six people that were working in the tunnel only the people who when in to rescue them died. — . — Cheers Jonathan Lowe, Model Flyer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – suggested I had to wait until evening to finish that job. I was spraying some type of two pack coating and the fumes nearly killed some of the men. — Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73) www.rogerhalstead.com N833R World’s oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2) — . — Cheers Jonathan, Have a look at my Local Model Aero Club site The Enniscorthy & Co Wexford MAC http://geocities.com/e_and_cw_mac Cheers Jonathan Hon. Tres. And you’ll probably have the RV-7 finished before I get the G-III in the air. IF I had started working on it when we first brought the crate home, like I have for the past 6 months, I’d have been flying it for the last 3 or 4 years. I’m right at the stage where some one else wouldn’t see much accomplished, unless they were familiar with the plane. I’m almost up to where I’d be after just opening the crate had I purchased a "jump start" kit. <sigh That is a *lot*. BTW, our chapter has a new Tech advisor. I couldn’t place the name. Then discovered he’s hangered right beside 33 Romeo. Hey! The wind is up! That means open up all the big doors in the shop, get out the air hose, put on the respirator with the dust filters, and let nature blow the dirt outside. Time to go back to work. Good luck on the RV-7. — Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73) www.rogerhalstead.com N833R World’s oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2) — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Those organic vapor filters take the Acetone and Vinyl Ester Resin aromas out completely. I had been working for over an hour and repositioned the mask. You learn real quick to take a breath just prior to moving the respirator, and then blowing out, before inhaling again. <whew I didn’t realize how thick that stuff was until I inhaled, instead of blowing out the first time. Some years ago I did industrial painting, I got the job because I had an airfed mask. One job involved a tank that need finishing before it was moved from the workshop. The company wanted me to do it right away with the staff still at work even though I warned them how toxic the fumes were, so as they requested I went ahead.
My, but how the laws have changed here in the states. Now when you go in a tank, it has to be purged, checked for gases, two safety men, safety line, and a whole series of vessel entry procedures. In cases where what you are spraying you would have to wear at least a hood with either tank air, or system air. Where I worked even the compressed air system in the plant was preathable. They also used it for instrument air as 90% of the process control instruments were pneumatic. You should have seen the fun when the big dryers got out of time. We had instrument panels with water running out of the instruments and gauges. *That* took a while to fix and clean as well as get the airlines dried out again. "Dry" air dries out the lines, but when you many miles of them it do take a while. Some of the instruments were over half a mile from the dryer. At home I have both the respirator with the different filters and a hull hood when painting with the Cyanolic <sp? paints. That hood is nice as it has a pack of very thin covers over the faceplate. When one gets covered up you just reach up, peel it off to expose the next one and you can see again. I use tank air and it is good for several hours at less than $10 a tank including regulator. Within 10 minutes one chap nearly fell off an overhead gantry, as I
The insidious one is going underground and Nitrogen. You pass out with no warning. N2 isn’t poisonous, but it displaces the air in the tank. suggested I had to wait until evening to finish that job. I was spraying some type of two pack coating and the fumes nearly killed some of the men.
– Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73) www.rogerhalstead.com N833R World’s oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — . — Cheers Jonathan, Have a look at my Local Model Aero Club site The Enniscorthy & Co Wexford MAC http://geocities.com/e_and_cw_mac Cheers Jonathan Hon. Tres. And you’ll probably have the RV-7 finished before I get the G-III in the air. IF I had started working on it when we first brought the crate home, like I have for the past 6 months, I’d have been flying it for the last 3 or 4 years. I’m right at the stage where some one else wouldn’t see much accomplished, unless they were familiar with the plane. I’m almost up to where I’d be after just opening the crate had I purchased a "jump start" kit. <sigh That is a *lot*. BTW, our chapter has a new Tech advisor. I couldn’t place the name. Then discovered he’s hangered right beside 33 Romeo. Hey! The wind is up! That means open up all the big doors in the shop, get out the air hose, put on the respirator with the dust filters, and let nature blow the dirt outside. Time to go back to work. Good luck on the RV-7. — Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73) www.rogerhalstead.com N833R World’s oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2) — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
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The kit will come in sections… I had wanted the quickbuild kit, but there is a 10-12 month back order on them… The tail section was to ship this friday past, and there is a 10-14 day trucking time from oregon… I am to call them next week to get the shipping dates for a standard fuselage kit and to attempt to schedule a quickbuild wing within the 7-8 month window I have set for finishing the tail and fuse and hanging the engine… If they decide that they cannot manage a quickbuild wing on that schedule, I will have order a standard wing kit instead… Denny
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Nasty stuff that, Roger…. It was the final straw that turned me away from composite construction… BTW, the Cozy MK4 is up for sale
I’ll pass the word at the next chapter meeting. if you happen to know anyone… The aluminum bits n pieces for the RV7are due shortly…
Getting the whole kit in one bunch? Yah just get used to wearing a respirator<:-)) Well, more like resigned to it. The problem is, I have to wear one when working with wood as well. Saw two boards with out one and it takes two weeks for my sinuses to recover. Those organic vapor filters take the Acetone and Vinyl Ester Resin aromas out completely. I had been working for over an hour and repositioned the mask. You learn real quick to take a breath just prior to moving the respirator, and then blowing out, before inhaling again. <whew I didn’t realize how thick that stuff was until I inhaled, instead of blowing out the first time. And you’ll probably have the RV-7 finished before I get the G-III in the air. IF I had started working on it when we first brought the crate home, like I have for the past 6 months, I’d have been flying it for the last 3 or 4 years. I’m right at the stage where some one else wouldn’t see much accomplished, unless they were familiar with the plane. I’m almost up to where I’d be after just opening the crate had I purchased a "jump start" kit. <sigh That is a *lot*. BTW, our chapter has a new Tech advisor. I couldn’t place the name. Then discovered he’s hangered right beside 33 Romeo. Hey! The wind is up! That means open up all the big doors in the shop, get out the air hose, put on the respirator with the dust filters, and let nature blow the dirt outside. Time to go back to work. Good luck on the RV-7. — Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73) www.rogerhalstead.com N833R World’s oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)
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Why is it that when ever you really get going on a project something else comes along to interfere? I use cabinets for pedistals under my work bench. Unfortunately those drawers were designed for silverware and other kitchen *stuff*, not 40#-50# of tools, screws, bolts, parts, etc… So, I’m finishing up rebuilding the drawers which now have a stained and varnished front, and a bottom and back designed to hold 40# to 50#. They are also getting a stop and rubber bumper put in behind each drawer to keep inertia from pulling off the front of the drawer. Did you know that carpentry, I.E. sawdust is worse than the dust from sanding fiberglass? The stuff is far more of a problem in the shop than the fiberglass dust. I probably should have kept the big ceiling fans going to keep the sawdust suspended so the shop filters could get it. At any rate, it’s supposed to be a bit windy this afternoon, so I figure I’ll just open the shop doors (16 X 10 on the frong and 8 X 9 on the west end of the south side. Then go stir up the dust with the air hose and let mother nature blow it out. My old buddy, the late Jack Yoder, loved wood airplanes, but after all the mess I get working with wood, I think I’ll stick with plastic airplanes. I was going to do the windshield bow reinforcement last night, but the humidity was so high it was condensing on the resin. Good thing I only mixed 50 grams worth. The moisture formed a white film which I just couldn’t get rid of. So I finally pitched the whole batch and went to bed. BTW, anyone know where www.glasair.org went. I receive a connection refused. Anyone been screwing with the site? They have a really good help group and bunch of knowledgeable people on there. — Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73) www.rogerhalstead.com N833R World’s oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)