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Btw guys, it doesn’t matter whether a beer uses the preservative or not. Small amounts of Sulfite are produced during the normal manufacture of beer. Each company will generally have an internal standard that they keep their beer to, i.e. when i contacted a local brewer here in sydney, they told me their company internal standard is under 25ppm. This is not alot, but as a cumulative effect with other foods, it adds up. Also wine.Organic wine is a load of hogwash as far as I am concerned. If you are concerned about your environment, great! If you are concerned about sulfites….. no good. When you grow grapes for wine, you have to keep the bugs on the vine down (otherwise u can get blight and essentially lose your crop). Organic wines don’t use any chemicals to do this, they use mulches and so on. This helps, but doesn’t kill them all, so in the making of the wine they would need to add some sulfites or other bug-killing chemicals to get rid of them, or else the wiine will rot in hte cask or bottle. A preservative free wine, won’t be organic, as they want as little as possible contaminants in the grapes, so they don’t need to kill bugs. Again wine produces it’s own sulfites, not much, but some. Also I don’t know about in other countries, but here in oz, our labelling laws state that if there is more then a certain limit of something, it must be listed as an ingredient. I know when you brew your own beer, part of the fermentation occurs in the bottle…… and I assume it must happen with commercial beers or you’d never get the bottle under any pressure. Wines? I dunno, but beer, they may be able to get away with not listing the sulfite initially, but its concentration incressing over time in the bottle. A rule of thumb, is avoid wine and beer. If you drink it, don’t drink much at all (I limit to 1 beer of any size up to 3 times a week max) and drink preservative free wine (realising it ain’t preservative free, but a small amount (say 25 ppm)is a hell of alot better then concentrations in the 1000′ s ppm). I have no idea whatsoever about the sterilizing the bottles with sulfte solutions, but I know there are two brands here in oz, that mustn’t as they are the ones I have been told are fine by my allergist…. carlton cold, and cascade brand. I’m not sure if this is due to a different processing method these beers use or what, but I assume it is. REgards, Patsy "bogus address" <bo…@purr.demon.co.uk> wrote in message

news:11792@purr.demon.co.uk… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Peter Weaver writes: > > Traditional British beers use Hops instead of barley, > They do NOT.  Hops are used as well as the barley – they’re a flavouring > and preserving agent. > > There are organic beers over here that do not contain sulphate > > preservatives, > No there AREN’T.  We have asked the breweries directly, have you? > It is just plain ILLEGAL to sell a bottled beer where the bottles have > not been sterilized with sulfite (not "sulphate" – that is neither an > allergen nor any use as a preservative).  If you want to avoid sulfur > dioxide or sulfite in beer you have to brew it yourself.  Which is not > very difficult and lets you get round the whole problem, albeit you’re > going to have to drink a lot of it. > The sulfite is not listed on the label because it isn’t an ingredient > added to the beer.  The fact that technically it’s part of the packaging > doesn’t make it any less dangerous for someone with a severe sulfite > allergy. > ========> Email to "j-c" at this site; email to "bogus" will bounce <======== > Jack Campin: 11 Third Street, Newtongrange, Midlothian EH22 4PU; 0131 6604760 > <http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/purrhome.html>  food intolerance data & recipes, > Mac logic fonts, Scots traditional music files and CD-ROMs of Scottish music.

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Traditional British beers use Hops instead of barley, this type of beer is not a lager and will taste very different, but examples of real british ales include Black Sheep, ( and as far as I know it doesnt contain preservatice). There are organic beers over here that do not contain sulphate preservatives, some bitters that are based on hops, and some that are lagers based on barley. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -bogus address wrote: >>I stopped drinking beer as I was told it had wheat etc in it but went >>on to lager over xmas. I picked Stella Artois and Budweiser but >>somebody told me that these aren’t wheat free as they have Barley? >>in them. > Most beer is brewed with barley, which contains gluten.  Some Chinese, > Japanese and American beers use only non-gluten grains (rice, maize) – > you really don’t want to know about the American ones but the Oriental > ones can be okay.  Stella will certainly use barley. >>I also found I wasn’t ill after drinking organic red wine but ill >>with non organic.  Sulphates I think possibly. > All wine contains sulfite unless you make it yourself (and maybe not > even then).  So does all beer bottled in the UK – food safety standards > require the use of sulfites for bottle sterilization and they can’t get > it all out.  If you had different reactions to organic and non-organic > wines, sulfites can’t be the explanation. > ========> Email to "j-c" at this site; email to "bogus" will bounce <======== > Jack Campin: 11 Third Street, Newtongrange, Midlothian EH22 4PU; 0131 6604760 > <http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/purrhome.html>  food intolerance data & recipes, > Mac logic fonts, Scots traditional music files and CD-ROMs of Scottish music.

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Peter Weaver writes: > Traditional British beers use Hops instead of barley,

They do NOT.  Hops are used as well as the barley – they’re a flavouring and preserving agent. > There are organic beers over here that do not contain sulphate > preservatives,

No there AREN’T.  We have asked the breweries directly, have you? It is just plain ILLEGAL to sell a bottled beer where the bottles have not been sterilized with sulfite (not "sulphate" – that is neither an allergen nor any use as a preservative).  If you want to avoid sulfur dioxide or sulfite in beer you have to brew it yourself.  Which is not very difficult and lets you get round the whole problem, albeit you’re going to have to drink a lot of it. The sulfite is not listed on the label because it isn’t an ingredient added to the beer.  The fact that technically it’s part of the packaging doesn’t make it any less dangerous for someone with a severe sulfite allergy. ========> Email to "j-c" at this site; email to "bogus" will bounce <======== Jack Campin: 11 Third Street, Newtongrange, Midlothian EH22 4PU; 0131 6604760 <http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/purrhome.html>  food intolerance data & recipes, Mac logic fonts, Scots traditional music files and CD-ROMs of Scottish music.

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I stopped drinking beer as I was told it had wheat etc in it but went on to lager over xmas. I picked Stella Artois and Budweiser but somebody told me that these aren’t wheat free as they have Barley? in them. I also found I wasn’t ill after drinking organic red wine but ill with non organic. Sulphates I think possibly. Temperance

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> I stopped drinking beer as I was told it had wheat etc in it but went > on to lager over xmas. I picked Stella Artois and Budweiser but > somebody told me that these aren’t wheat free as they have Barley? > in them.

Most beer is brewed with barley, which contains gluten.  Some Chinese, Japanese and American beers use only non-gluten grains (rice, maize) – you really don’t want to know about the American ones but the Oriental ones can be okay.  Stella will certainly use barley. > I also found I wasn’t ill after drinking organic red wine but ill > with non organic.  Sulphates I think possibly.

All wine contains sulfite unless you make it yourself (and maybe not even then).  So does all beer bottled in the UK – food safety standards require the use of sulfites for bottle sterilization and they can’t get it all out.  If you had different reactions to organic and non-organic wines, sulfites can’t be the explanation. ========> Email to "j-c" at this site; email to "bogus" will bounce <======== Jack Campin: 11 Third Street, Newtongrange, Midlothian EH22 4PU; 0131 6604760 <http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/purrhome.html>  food intolerance data & recipes, Mac logic fonts, Scots traditional music files and CD-ROMs of Scottish music.

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