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Electric Bass Students being accepted in Vancouver WA/Portland OR

admin — Tue, 04 Nov 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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Nice to see ya sticking around. You’re a stand up guy for the apology to Sam.

I agree. I was just initially outraged at seeing the comment. —my personal issues with bars gigs, which I dislike for many reasons. I have "career envy" of a guy like Tony Levin, and I aspire to that level in my future, if I excel in my craft, and play my cards right –integrity, skill, connections

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And I’ll probably send Sam an e-mail for some input.

let me know. i’m looking to start (well continue..it’s been on hold for this year) my own design company as i’ve been doing digital media etc. for years now. happy to give you input if you like

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Your right, i over reacted and didn’t think before i posted. I’m sorry Sam. I was harsh and rude.

That’s alright. i may have been as well. You see, we do get our share of spam, it’s quite unlikely that the ad was for a member of the newsgroup (alt.guitar.bass – though it was crossposted) so really that means generally there is no-one at the other end. was just making my initial comments known. hope to see you around Timmer. Sam

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Your right, i over reacted and didn’t think before i posted. I’m sorry Sam. I was harsh and rude. And you are also right. In the winter, most of my live performances are in Oregon and Washington clubs and casinos. Timmer — Bass World http://www.timmerblakely.com Jim Mesi Band http://www.jimmesi.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gee, do i get defensive and criticize back or try to be positive and say 22,000 internet surfers can’t all be wrong, or simply point out that the quality of my web page has nothing to do with the original post? what you do is: let it go, laugh it off, if you’re secure Ewwe! unrelated post! unprovoked flame! insecure loser with career envy! *Timmer shakes his head with pity* spouting "insecure loser with career envy!" makes me curious about a prestigious career to be envious of. are these a bunch of oregon bars listed in your site calendar?

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I was playing a 5 string Godin, amber burst with a curly maple top. I also ended up playing a gig in town that weekend at some brew pub next to (I think)the bar called Palace. Nice to see ya sticking around. You’re a stand up guy for the apology to Sam. He’ll be glad to give you some input on your site. Don’t forget to check out this groups web page www.altguitarbass.com Sam did some work there as well. Jay S

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jay, The Winthrop photo on the web page is from 98 or so but i was there in 02′ also. We probably did meet there. I was there with the Aaron Black band that year. And the talkin shop part rings a bell as does David Gogo. What kind of bass were you playing? That will probably jog my memory really well. I guess I’m glad Sam posted that comment on the web page now. I just wish someone would have said something sooner. I’ll redo the graphics and titles and see what i can come up with. And I’ll probably send Sam an e-mail for some input. Nice to meet ya again Jay, Timmer — Bass World http://www.timmerblakely.com Jim Mesi Band http://www.jimmesi.com Hey Timmer…. Sam is right about the need to fix up some of the graphics and titles. I also think you’re color and size of font is hard on the eyes. But, you didn’t ask for a website critique so I’ll shut the hell up. I checked out some of your photos. I have this uncanny feeling that we’ve bumped into each other before. 2 possible places from the photos on your site are: The Yale in Vancouver BC or the Winthrop blues festival. (I was there in 2002) At both places, I would have been playing with David Gogo. You kinda look like a guy that asked me about my bass, and we talked shop for awhile. Jay S Award winning bassist now accepting students in the Vancouver WA area. All levels All styles All ages 25 years+ experience Blues, Rock, R&B, Country, Jazz, Gospel, Funk Music Theory Career guidance Gear advice All aspects of bass playing Visit http://www.Timmerblakely.com or send e-mail to — Bass World http://www.timmerblakely.com Jim Mesi Band http://www.jimmesi.com

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Jay, The Winthrop photo on the web page is from 98 or so but i was there in 02′ also. We probably did meet there. I was there with the Aaron Black band that year. And the talkin shop part rings a bell as does David Gogo. What kind of bass were you playing? That will probably jog my memory really well. I guess I’m glad Sam posted that comment on the web page now. I just wish someone would have said something sooner. I’ll redo the graphics and titles and see what i can come up with. And I’ll probably send Sam an e-mail for some input. Nice to meet ya again Jay, Timmer — Bass World http://www.timmerblakely.com Jim Mesi Band http://www.jimmesi.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Timmer…. Sam is right about the need to fix up some of the graphics and titles. I also think you’re color and size of font is hard on the eyes. But, you didn’t ask for a website critique so I’ll shut the hell up. I checked out some of your photos. I have this uncanny feeling that we’ve bumped into each other before. 2 possible places from the photos on your site are: The Yale in Vancouver BC or the Winthrop blues festival. (I was there in 2002) At both places, I would have been playing with David Gogo. You kinda look like a guy that asked me about my bass, and we talked shop for awhile. Jay S Award winning bassist now accepting students in the Vancouver WA area. All levels All styles All ages 25 years+ experience Blues, Rock, R&B, Country, Jazz, Gospel, Funk Music Theory Career guidance Gear advice All aspects of bass playing Visit http://www.Timmerblakely.com or send e-mail to — Bass World http://www.timmerblakely.com Jim Mesi Band http://www.jimmesi.com

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if you would like any help (pro bono) e-mail me privately (remove the NOSPAM from my e-mail) Sam

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok Sam. Thanks for the tip. I’ll look into a graphic overhaul over the next few weeks. Timmer Bass World http://www.timmerblakely.com Jim Mesi Band http://www.jimmesi.com — Bass World http://www.timmerblakely.com Jim Mesi Band http://www.jimmesi.com you can get defensive as much as you like. i had a quick look through the site but it didn’t really hold me there visually. 22,000 internet surfers? hmm….a friend of mine (18) gets 1000 hits per day and he’s not even selling anything…doesn’t make his site amazing though. wouldn’t say that i have career envy either really. It was just a tip to fix up some graphics as some of the titles were virtually unreadable Sam Gee, do i get defensive and criticize back or try to be positive and say 22,000 internet surfers can’t all be wrong, or simply point out that the quality of my web page has nothing to do with the original post? Ewwe! unrelated post! unprovoked flame! insecure loser with career envy! *Timmer shakes his head with pity* Timmer

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Hey Timmer…. Sam is right about the need to fix up some of the graphics and titles. I also think you’re color and size of font is hard on the eyes. But, you didn’t ask for a website critique so I’ll shut the hell up. I checked out some of your photos. I have this uncanny feeling that we’ve bumped into each other before. 2 possible places from the photos on your site are: The Yale in Vancouver BC or the Winthrop blues festival. (I was there in 2002) At both places, I would have been playing with David Gogo. You kinda look like a guy that asked me about my bass, and we talked shop for awhile. Jay S

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Award winning bassist now accepting students in the Vancouver WA area. All levels All styles All ages 25 years+ experience Blues, Rock, R&B, Country, Jazz, Gospel, Funk Music Theory Career guidance Gear advice All aspects of bass playing Visit http://www.Timmerblakely.com or send e-mail to — Bass World http://www.timmerblakely.com Jim Mesi Band http://www.jimmesi.com

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Ok Sam. Thanks for the tip. I’ll look into a graphic overhaul over the next few weeks. Timmer Bass World http://www.timmerblakely.com Jim Mesi Band http://www.jimmesi.com — Bass World http://www.timmerblakely.com Jim Mesi Band http://www.jimmesi.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – you can get defensive as much as you like. i had a quick look through the site but it didn’t really hold me there visually. 22,000 internet surfers? hmm….a friend of mine (18) gets 1000 hits per day and he’s not even selling anything…doesn’t make his site amazing though. wouldn’t say that i have career envy either really. It was just a tip to fix up some graphics as some of the titles were virtually unreadable Sam Gee, do i get defensive and criticize back or try to be positive and say 22,000 internet surfers can’t all be wrong, or simply point out that the quality of my web page has nothing to do with the original post? Ewwe! unrelated post! unprovoked flame! insecure loser with career envy! *Timmer shakes his head with pity* Timmer

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Ya sends yer spam, ya takes yer chances. — Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – argh! bad graphics! big font! argh! *sam runs away* Sam Gee, do i get defensive and criticize back or try to be positive and say 22,000 internet surfers can’t all be wrong, or simply point out that the quality of my web page has nothing to do with the original post? Ewwe! unrelated post! unprovoked flame! insecure loser with career envy! *Timmer shakes his head with pity* Timmer

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you can get defensive as much as you like. i had a quick look through the site but it didn’t really hold me there visually. 22,000 internet surfers? hmm….a friend of mine (18) gets 1000 hits per day and he’s not even selling anything…doesn’t make his site amazing though. wouldn’t say that i have career envy either really. It was just a tip to fix up some graphics as some of the titles were virtually unreadable Sam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gee, do i get defensive and criticize back or try to be positive and say 22,000 internet surfers can’t all be wrong, or simply point out that the quality of my web page has nothing to do with the original post? Ewwe! unrelated post! unprovoked flame! insecure loser with career envy! *Timmer shakes his head with pity* Timmer

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what you do is: let it go, laugh it off, if you’re secure Ewwe! unrelated post! unprovoked flame! insecure loser with career envy! *Timmer shakes his head with pity*

spouting "insecure loser with career envy!" makes me curious about a prestigious career to be envious of. are these a bunch of oregon bars listed in your site calendar?

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Award winning bassist now accepting students in the Vancouver WA area. All levels All styles All ages 25 years+ experience Blues, Rock, R&B, Country, Jazz, Gospel, Funk Music Theory Career guidance Gear advice All aspects of bass playing Visit http://www.Timmerblakely.com or send e-mail to — Bass World http://www.timmerblakely.com Jim Mesi Band http://www.jimmesi.com

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argh! bad graphics! big font! argh! *sam runs away* Sam

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argh! bad graphics! big font! argh! *sam runs away* Sam

At least it is not dark blue on pitch black!!! Cheers Heinz

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At least it is not dark blue on pitch black!!! Cheers Heinz

that was a bit harsh! it ain’t THAT bad Sam

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argh! bad graphics! big font! argh! *sam runs away* Sam

Gee, do i get defensive and criticize back or try to be positive and say 22,000 internet surfers can’t all be wrong, or simply point out that the quality of my web page has nothing to do with the original post? Ewwe! unrelated post! unprovoked flame! insecure loser with career envy! *Timmer shakes his head with pity* Timmer

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Ping Rose – an unnatural act?

admin — Sat, 16 Aug 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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I’m having fiery hot beef burritos with Guinness for lunch. :-) ((U)) M

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YUMMMMY. Can I join? I think I may just have to pull out a shaftsberry for this beautiful Sat afternoon Jen "Michael" wrote in message

news:bhm5480290m@enews1.newsguy.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m having fiery hot beef burritos with Guinness for lunch. :-) > ((U)) > M

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"Michael" wrote in message

news:bhm5480290m@enews1.newsguy.com… > I’m having fiery hot beef burritos with Guinness for lunch. :-) > ((U)) > M

you have bad diahrrea while at lunch with your friend???who???? gwenneth paltrow? bobD i am not hearing properly today!!! slamon party last night,i mean salmon party,,,, vodka dont mix well with morphine!!! someone put vodka in my iced cappacino vodka mudshaker!!! oh ya the company that makes them did !!! geez its early still 3:12,,, oh no its pm not am.

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Hey, sure! The more, the merrier. Guinness, Shaftesbury… what else we got on tap today? Impromptu beer-fest, anyone? :-) ((U)) M In , Jennifer said: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> YUMMMMY. Can I join? > I think I may just have to pull out a shaftsberry for this beautiful > Sat afternoon > Jen > "Michael" wrote in message > news:bhm5480290m@enews1.newsguy.com… >> I’m having fiery hot beef burritos with Guinness for lunch. :-) >> ((U)) >> M

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"Michael" wrote in message … > Hey, sure! The more, the merrier. > Guinness, Shaftesbury… what else we got on tap today? > Impromptu beer-fest, anyone? :-)

hee! after almost 5 months without any alcohol at all, i’ve discovered that the hollow leg hasn’t filled out any — unfortunately, the hollow head is a little bit fuzzy today! =:o we were boring, and had cheeze-dogs and chips to go with the 6-pack of ‘guinness draught’ — the bottles with the weird little nitrous canisters shaking around at the bottom — and the 6-pack of regular guinness. YUMMY — Ok, i’m easily pleased sometimes. :-> we watched the X-games on teevee. i remember watching them in person when they were held in san diego, but it was fun to see them in l.a. too. then we watched juan manuel marquez box a last-minute replacement for smoke gainer, who claimed to have pulled a pectoral muscle during training and backed out. i was smart enough to stay offline, but did drag out a lot of weird CDs at one point or another. i did NOT listen to ‘danny boy,’ which means i wasn’t really anywhere near drunk — tipsiness is way fun though! :-> today i’m doing laundry — life goes on, but the little breaks sure are most keen. :-> rose, not hung over, just s-l-o-w!

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"Bob Davidson" wrote in message … > i am not hearing properly today!!! slamon party last night,i mean salmon > party,,,, vodka dont mix well with morphine!!!

ROTFL. i’m a bourbon or brandy gal myself; just never been that big on vodka or [shudder] gin…not very ghetto, is it, LOL. I first mis-read it as a ’slalom party,’ and was gonna ask if you were doing the x-treme sports thing along with the x-treme fishing. ;-> i got semi-plastered on 12 guinnesses and a couplea cheeze dogs and watched, first the X-games, and then juan manuel marquez’ boxing [non] match against licona. i even thought of you while watching the x-games, bob, LOL. remember seeing them in person when they were held in san diego, and miss them! you know tony hawk, don’t you? i have a really NICE tony hawk story. a family we know has a little boy with a rare and serious medical condition related to hemophilia but different. rather than bleeding way too much, he just bleeds way too OFTEN. :{ everything cuts the poor little dude. we saw him fall on the grass, and a huge gash opened up in his leg — he bumped his elbow against a plastic kiddie slide and the same thing happened — he’s constantly covered with bandages — but he’s one of the coolest kids you’d ever hope to meet! the mom and dad both used to work with dennis — dad took 3rd shift and mom 1st shift, because someone always needed to be home for their son. he wanted SO bad to be like other kids — i remember how jazzed he was when he got a bike with training wheels — the training wheels never came off, but he was a lot more ‘like other kids’ and it made him SO happy. he really wanted to skateboard, but after a few falls and trips to the hospital, that one was out. the local paper did a story on the lttle boy, and he said that tony hawk was his hero, that he wished he could skate, but as long as he could watch tony, he was still happy. tony hawk, who had never met the family, read the article in the paper…and totally unexpectedly, several days later, a truck pulled up outside their house, with a brand-new playstation, skate video games, and a personal letter and autographed board…all provided by tony hawk his own legendary self. made that little boy’s day/week/YEAR! :-> the family has since moved to PA to be closer to the shriner’s childrens hospital, but i’m telling you, tony hawk isn’t just a skate-god, he’s a guy with heart, and he’s aces in my book. :-> rose

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In , rose dawn scott said: > "Michael" wrote in message > … >> Hey, sure! The more, the merrier. >> Guinness, Shaftesbury… what else we got on tap today? >> Impromptu beer-fest, anyone? :-) > hee! after almost 5 months without any alcohol at all, i’ve discovered > that the hollow leg hasn’t filled out any — unfortunately, the hollow > head is a little bit fuzzy today! =:o

My hollow leg went on a walkabout back when I was 38… and it hasn’t been seen since. A six-pack is easily enough to bring me to my knees anymore. 4’s my limit if I intend to remain even remotely vertical. I drank most of a bottle of brandy for my 40th birthday, and I awoke at 4am lying on my back in the mud – in the rain – about 40 yards from the house where I’d been partying. I know I walked most of the 6 miles home and cycled the rest, but I’ll be damned if I know how I did that. > we were boring, and had cheeze-dogs and chips to go with the 6-pack of > ‘guinness draught’ — the bottles with the weird little nitrous > canisters shaking around at the bottom — and the 6-pack of regular > guinness. YUMMY — Ok, i’m easily pleased sometimes. :->

We get Guinness Draight in cans with those "widgets" in them. It’s not bad beer, but the drawback to the format is that you *must* pour them out literally within seconds of openning them, or they swiftly begin to taste like the can. The upside is that Guinness looks especially nice in a pub glass. :-) > rose, not hung over, just s-l-o-w!

I’m slow myself, and I only managed to down 3 of those cans of beer… less than a litre and a half. My dad used to own a brew pub, and produced 7500 litres of 6 different – very fine – beers in the short time they were brewing… I’m glad my days of diminished capacity didn’t begin that early. :-) ((U)) M

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"Michael" wrote in message

news:bhocsf08i6@enews3.newsguy.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In , > rose dawn scott said: > > "Michael" wrote in message > > … > >> Hey, sure! The more, the merrier. > >> Guinness, Shaftesbury… what else we got on tap today? > >> Impromptu beer-fest, anyone? :-) > > hee! after almost 5 months without any alcohol at all, i’ve discovered > > that the hollow leg hasn’t filled out any — unfortunately, the hollow > > head is a little bit fuzzy today! =:o > My hollow leg went on a walkabout back when I was 38… and it hasn’t been > seen since. A six-pack is easily enough to bring me to my knees anymore. > 4’s my limit if I intend to remain even remotely vertical. > I drank most of a bottle of brandy for my 40th birthday, and I awoke at 4am > lying on my back in the mud – in the rain – about 40 yards from the house > where I’d been partying. I know I walked most of the 6 miles home and > cycled the rest, but I’ll be damned if I know how I did that. > > we were boring, and had cheeze-dogs and chips to go with the 6-pack of > > ‘guinness draught’ — the bottles with the weird little nitrous > > canisters shaking around at the bottom — and the 6-pack of regular > > guinness. YUMMY — Ok, i’m easily pleased sometimes. :-> > We get Guinness Draight in cans with those "widgets" in them. It’s not bad > beer, but the drawback to the format is that you *must* pour them out > literally within seconds of openning them, or they swiftly begin to taste > like the can. The upside is that Guinness looks especially nice in a pub > glass. :-) > > rose, not hung over, just s-l-o-w! > I’m slow myself, and I only managed to down 3 of those cans of beer… less > than a litre and a half. > My dad used to own a brew pub, and produced 7500 litres of 6 different – > very fine – beers in the short time they were brewing… I’m glad my days of > diminished capacity didn’t begin that early. :-) > ((U)) > M

Ahhh, but did he leave you the brew recipes, so that you could brew your own and consume them with your "cigars?" CW PS: Can hemp be fermented, and would the active ingredients go into the wort or into the waste? :-)

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In , CW said: > PS: Can hemp be fermented, and would the active ingredients go into > the wort or into the waste? :-)

Into the wort, Chuck. THC and cannabidiol are both alcohol suloble. :-) ((U)) M

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"rose dawn scott" > i got semi-plastered on 12 guinnesses and a couplea cheeze dogs and > watched, first the X-games, > > rose

Drinking 12 guinness’ qualifies one for the x-games. If Im not mistaken. Rob

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"Michael" wrote in message

news:bhp16e013j4@enews3.newsguy.com… > In , > CW said: > > PS: Can hemp be fermented, and would the active ingredients go into > > the wort or into the waste? :-) > Into the wort, Chuck. > THC and cannabidiol are both alcohol suloble. :-) > ((U)) > M

So… then it could be distilled also? Hmmm… Hemp Daniels. Rob

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In , Rob Duncan said: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Michael" wrote in message > news:bhp16e013j4@enews3.newsguy.com… >> In , >> CW said: >>> PS: Can hemp be fermented, and would the active ingredients go into >>> the wort or into the waste? :-) >> Into the wort, Chuck. >> THC and cannabidiol are both alcohol suloble. :-) >> ((U)) >> M > So… then it could be distilled also? Hmmm… Hemp Daniels. > Rob

They both evaporate at much higher temps than alcohol does… I think the process would then involve distilling the alcohol, then evaporating off all the other lower-temp distillates, then extracting the THC and CBD for re-pickling in the juice. A little like making bud oil, but with an extra twist. :-) ((U)) M

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> "rose dawn scott" > > i got semi-plastered on 12 guinnesses and a couplea cheeze dogs and > > watched, first the X-games, > > > rose

i missed the ending of the 1/2 pipe finals, Bucky Lasek was in first place when i turned channel,, ironically i know many of those guys,, i met buckey when he toured with toney hawk, for Powell/Peralta ,at the time he was only 14 years old, and was toney’s new protege`, he was awesome on the pipe in rishmond,, and broke one of his boards,, i have it on my wall in my room!!! with other sk8 stuff, with toney hawk and others. any time toney came to vancouver i wouldmeet him and the team cause in vancouver our local boy kevin harris was a world pro champion in freestyle, and held the guiness world record for 2 foot tail wheelies of over 1100 took 15 minutes of spinning. i have some pics with me and toney and lots of memories, from tournaments thru the 70’s and 80’s. and was lucky to meet a huge list of pro riders who came to vancouver cause we dont sue everyone for anything,, causing most califonia sk8parks to close from lawsuits, here you cannot sue in a public park if you break your arm cause you are stupid,, !! we have over 40 outdoor parks in BC all free for kids to use!!! also in the summer all the pro snowboarders come to blackcomb glacier to practice,, huge giant wind lip jumps,,100 feet of air!! ,i met all the pros in the 80’s when snowboarding started!!! i was too old to compete against 16 year old teenagers!!,, but did compete in the over 30 – masters group in the 90’s i have some videos of snowboarding where i can be seen in them,, not riding partying only!!,, but my brother and i were in some photo shoots, and other events,, sponsored by Kemper snowboards, on grouse we took up 200 underpriveledged kids from bad neighborhoods,, to tech them to snowboard, for a day,, we supplied all the boots boards etc,, and spent the day teaching teens from 13-16 to ride, most cannot afford the lift ticket let alone the 1000 dollars to outfit your kid with snowboard gearthese days. me and my bro took all the girls right away!!! they actually learned very fast, but the boys who sk8borded jumped right on the snowboards,, back in the day,, we took alot of crap from old school skiiers,, wondering what the hell we were riding coffee tables down the mountain for??? , but i knew it would catch on,, now in the olympics!!! 20 years later. bobD ramblin on today,, ps we still meet once a year for old boys day in vancouver, with the old gang,, usually around the local – slam city jam – festival weekend, xgames rock concert thing on the bill this summer was rancid and offspring,and bad religion.

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Article: Denver Officials: Smoking Ban Won't Pass

admin — Thu, 03 Jul 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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You would think banning smoking would bring on the ends of the earth the way they are arguing this here In the paper the other day was an article on all the restaurants that have closed in Louisville since that city put in a smoking ban. Amazing — mc I haven’t lost my mind, It is backed up on disk somewhere. 8M

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Those were bars that closed.

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Health – AP Denver Officials: Smoking Ban Won’t Pass Thu Jul 3, 2003 By JENNIFER HAMILTON, Associated Press Writer DENVER – The Mile High City may have lots of physically fit, health-conscious hikers and bikers, but it is way behind cities like New York, Boston and Dallas when it comes to cracking down on smoking. Earlier this week, the City Council scrapped a proposed ban on smoking in restaurants after the council president, a smoker, said a public hearing would be a waste of time. And the incoming mayor? He is a brew pub owner who favors an unlikely "regional" ban. Banning smoking is always a tough sell, but in a state where just 15 percent of adults are obese

A Little Help Please

admin — Thu, 23 Jan 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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As most know I will be going out of town on the 1st for about a week. A business trip and lots of work. All the folks from my company are meeting for dinner Sunday night as we come from different locations and would like to know each other better before we start working. Well I will be in Denver and was there about 2 years ago for a similar meeting. We are staying at the Adams Mark. I remember having an AS3 user meet of about 6 or 7 of us on that last trip. They picked me up and we went to a Brewery with a restaurant attached. I guess about 10 minutes or less drive from the hotel. Anyway does any current AS3′r happen to know the place I am talking about. If you do can you reply with the name and address so I can take that with me and our group can go there for dinner. I do remember we had a table in a corner and spend a number of hours without being bothered about how long we were there. Hope there is someone from that past meet or someone who knows the area that can direct me. Thanks in advance for the help. Ian OOF — 7y 11m 2w 5d 3:45 smoke-free, 98,947 cigs not smoked, $12,210.06 saved,

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We are staying at the Adams Mark. I remember having an AS3 user meet of about 6 or 7 of us on that last trip. They picked me up and we went to a Brewery with a restaurant attached. I guess about 10 minutes or less drive from the hotel. Anyway does any current AS3′r happen to know the place I am talking about.

I think you are talking about the Breckenridge Brew pub. It is at 2220 Blake Street (very close to Coors Field). That one has been around the longest. — mc I haven’t lost my mind, It is backed up on disk somewhere. QOF

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Confession in advance – what next?

admin — Thu, 16 Jan 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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::: Well, there will always be things that you really like. You have to decide that right now you need to put that aside for a while and concentrate on your weight loss (assuming that is your goal). Sooner or later you will be able to have that favorite thing again. And even while you are LCing, you can — every once in a while. However, Jan 1 is just two week ago, so it hasn’t really been that long. But still, you have friends coming, you will be on the road — if all you do is have a couple of those beers, it would a bad thing. Just get right back on induction when you get back and plan to go LC for a good bit to time so you can get it down. It really does take some practice.

"It woudl be a bad thing". I’m not so sure that having a few beers would be a bad thing. I think what would be a ‘bad thing’ would be not going back to LC after having these beer. I plan on living a long time and learning self-discipline is one of the toughest things for me. However, I think that if I tell myself, "You cannot have a beer on a special occassion" will cause me to crave it even more on other days which will lead to a binge. Now, I’m not talking about having a beer every business lunch or even having a beer every other night, but I’m referring to the every once and a while occassions. BTW, I’m going to have a couple of beers tomorrow night also since my best friend is showing up for a few hours. I plan on taking the calories and carbs into my daily allowance and realize that I probably won’t lose any weight and might even gain a pound or two. Guess what, on Sunday I’m going to drink water like a demon and get on my darn exercise bike for 1 hour. Realize whatever you do is a choice. I choose to loose weight and will do whatever it takes to get to my number. The only person that can make me fail is myself — and trust me, that ain’t going to happen. Mike 234/222.5/180

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"It woudl be a bad thing". I’m not so sure that having a few beers would be a bad thing. I think what would be a ‘bad thing’ would be not going back to LC after having these beer

hmm if it helps any, my husband had success with LC when he was on it before and he continued to drink Miller Lite, I believe it has fewer carbs than most beers. And now there is that new Michelob Ultra with only 2. something carbs in it. But he was lucky, the alcohol didn’t stall him and he just counted the carbs. Now whether of not you’d classify these as "good" beers is another question

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:::::: ::: Well, there will always be things that you really like. You have ::: to decide that right now you need to put that aside for a while and ::: concentrate on your weight loss (assuming that is your goal). ::: Sooner or later you will be able to have that favorite thing again. ::: And even while you are LCing, you can — every once in a while. ::: However, Jan 1 is just two week ago, so it hasn’t really been that ::: long. But still, you have friends coming, you will be on the road – ::: – if all you do is have a couple of those beers, it would a bad ::: thing. Just get right back on induction when you get back and plan ::: to go LC for a good bit to time so you can get it down. It really ::: does take some practice. :: :: "It woudl be a bad thing". I meant "It wouldn’t be a bad thing." Oh no, I’ve sent you on because of a typo, sorry! I’m not so sure that having a few beers :: would be a bad thing. I think what would be a ‘bad thing’ would be :: not going back to LC after having these beer. I plan on living a :: long time and learning self-discipline is one of the toughest things :: for me. However, I think that if I tell myself, "You cannot have a :: beer on a special occassion" will cause me to crave it even more on :: other days which will lead to a binge. :: :: Now, I’m not talking about having a beer every business lunch or even :: having a beer every other night, but I’m referring to the every once :: and a while occassions. :: :: BTW, I’m going to have a couple of beers tomorrow night also since my :: best friend is showing up for a few hours. I plan on taking the :: calories and carbs into my daily allowance and realize that I :: probably won’t lose any weight and might even gain a pound or two. :: Guess what, on Sunday I’m going to drink water like a demon and get :: on my darn exercise bike for 1 hour. :: :: Realize whatever you do is a choice. I choose to loose weight and :: will do whatever it takes to get to my number. The only person that :: can make me fail is myself — and trust me, that ain’t going to :: happen. :: :: Mike :: 234/222.5/180

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LOL — doh….. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :: :::::: ::: Well, there will always be things that you really like. You have ::: to decide that right now you need to put that aside for a while and ::: concentrate on your weight loss (assuming that is your goal). ::: Sooner or later you will be able to have that favorite thing again. ::: And even while you are LCing, you can — every once in a while. ::: However, Jan 1 is just two week ago, so it hasn’t really been that ::: long. But still, you have friends coming, you will be on the road – ::: – if all you do is have a couple of those beers, it would a bad ::: thing. Just get right back on induction when you get back and plan ::: to go LC for a good bit to time so you can get it down. It really ::: does take some practice. :: :: "It woudl be a bad thing". I meant "It wouldn’t be a bad thing." Oh no, I’ve sent you on because of a typo, sorry! I’m not so sure that having a few beers :: would be a bad thing. I think what would be a ‘bad thing’ would be :: not going back to LC after having these beer. I plan on living a :: long time and learning self-discipline is one of the toughest things :: for me. However, I think that if I tell myself, "You cannot have a :: beer on a special occassion" will cause me to crave it even more on :: other days which will lead to a binge. :: :: Now, I’m not talking about having a beer every business lunch or even :: having a beer every other night, but I’m referring to the every once :: and a while occassions. :: :: BTW, I’m going to have a couple of beers tomorrow night also since my :: best friend is showing up for a few hours. I plan on taking the :: calories and carbs into my daily allowance and realize that I :: probably won’t lose any weight and might even gain a pound or two. :: Guess what, on Sunday I’m going to drink water like a demon and get :: on my darn exercise bike for 1 hour. :: :: Realize whatever you do is a choice. I choose to loose weight and :: will do whatever it takes to get to my number. The only person that :: can make me fail is myself — and trust me, that ain’t going to :: happen. :: :: Mike :: 234/222.5/180

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I’d try to change your mindset a little. "Your going to choose to eat non-LC" this is different then "I’m going to cheat". The only person that can make you fail on this WOL is yourself, choose not to fail. Resuming induction is also a good choice to make Mike 230/222.5/180 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m going to be cheating next week also because we are going away for our anniversary and I want to enjoy every bit of our 5 year. but as soon as I get home from Estes park I’m going back on induction for 2 weeks but then my carbs hardly ever go over 20g so its not really a change. )

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In November my husband and I went away for a 3 day weekend to celebrate our anniversary. I found eating lowcarb is easy outside the home. I planned on staying on it throughout our trip. I had one planned cheat which was a piece of cheesecake and some wine, otherwise, steaks, salads, seafood omelets, lobster, oh my god the food was wonderful and all lowcarb except for that cheesecake! I did not miss the carby stuff one bit! JMHO — Pat 265-230-140ish Started LowCarb 9-9-02

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’d try to change your mindset a little. "Your going to choose to eat non-LC" this is different then "I’m going to cheat". The only person that can make you fail on this WOL is yourself, choose not to fail. Resuming induction is also a good choice to make Mike 230/222.5/180 I’m going to be cheating next week also because we are going away for our anniversary and I want to enjoy every bit of our 5 year. but as soon as I get home from Estes park I’m going back on induction for 2 weeks but then my carbs hardly ever go over 20g so its not really a change. )

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello – Tomorrow is my last day on induction. I’ve only lost one pound, but I’m not too discouraged. (I haven’t been drinking enough water, I think.) My confession is that tomorrow evening I’m going out of town with friends until Monday. I know I’ll be lapsing. In fact, I’ve already bought the 12-pack of Pilsner Urquel to bring along. My question is, when I get home should I go back on the induction program for three days to counteract the lapsing for three days? I will watch my calories and make sure I don’t go above 10X my weight. And, since I’ve only lost one pound, maybe I should stay on induction for awhile. It’s getting tough, though, because I get cracker cravings at night. Thanks for any advice/experiences. dutchie

dutchie, Why don’t you post a typical daily menu, including amounts and water consumption? Have you been measuring yourself or noticed your clithes fitting better? My good friend has been on ‘induction’ since april. DH and I since Oct., it doesn’t have to be only two weeks. Trina

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Do you really have to go off plan? If you ask me, this is a good time to learn how to do LC on the road! I don’t mean to sound like I’m beating up on you, though. You need to do what you think is best for you.

Roger, and everyone else who answered, you did make me think. Yes, I think I can go without potatoes or fries or sweets. But I really really like good beer. And I really miss it. I haven’t had one since January 1, and I honestly think that’s the longest I’ve gone without a beer since I started college. So I was going to allow myself to have a couple this weekend. Plus there’s a brew pub within walking distance of where we’re going, and that’s going to be hard to pass up. I know the difference between a craving and just wanting something because I like the taste. It’s been easier to give up beer than wheat thins. In fact, at the end of induction I’m no happier at the thought of no wheat thins than I was at the start – I didn’t outgrow the desire for them. But how do I deal with giving up something I really liked the taste of, or choosing to have some and then trying to control the damage? Man, I’m admiring all of you more every day! Does it get easier? Or, if I’m still having such angst after two weeks am I not cut out for this? dutchie

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::: Do you really have to go off plan? If you ask me, this is a good ::: time to learn how to do LC on the road! I don’t mean to sound like ::: I’m beating up on you, though. You need to do what you think is ::: best for you. ::: :: Roger, and everyone else who answered, you did make me think. Yes, :: I think I can go without potatoes or fries or sweets. But I really :: really like good beer. And I really miss it. I haven’t had one :: since January 1, and I honestly think that’s the longest I’ve gone :: without a beer since I started college. So I was going to allow :: myself to have a couple this weekend. Plus there’s a brew pub within :: walking distance of where we’re going, and that’s going to be hard :: to pass up. :: :: I know the difference between a craving and just wanting something :: because I like the taste. It’s been easier to give up beer than :: wheat thins. In fact, at the end of induction I’m no happier at the :: thought of no wheat thins than I was at the start – I didn’t outgrow :: the desire for them. :: :: But how do I deal with giving up something I really liked the taste :: of, or choosing to have some and then trying to control the damage? :: :: Man, I’m admiring all of you more every day! Does it get easier? :: Or, if I’m still having such angst after two weeks am I not cut out :: for this? Well, there will always be things that you really like. You have to decide that right now you need to put that aside for a while and concentrate on your weight loss (assuming that is your goal). Sooner or later you will be able to have that favorite thing again. And even while you are LCing, you can — every once in a while. However, Jan 1 is just two week ago, so it hasn’t really been that long. But still, you have friends coming, you will be on the road — if all you do is have a couple of those beers, it would a bad thing. Just get right back on induction when you get back and plan to go LC for a good bit to time so you can get it down. It really does take some practice.

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Hello – Tomorrow is my last day on induction. I’ve only lost one pound, but I’m not too discouraged. (I haven’t been drinking enough water, I think.) My confession is that tomorrow evening I’m going out of town with friends until Monday. I know I’ll be lapsing. In fact, I’ve already bought the 12-pack of Pilsner Urquel to bring along. My question is, when I get home should I go back on the induction program for three days to counteract the lapsing for three days? I will watch my calories and make sure I don’t go above 10X my weight. And, since I’ve only lost one pound, maybe I should stay on induction for awhile. It’s getting tough, though, because I get cracker cravings at night. Thanks for any advice/experiences. dutchie

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I’m going to be cheating next week also because we are going away for our anniversary and I want to enjoy every bit of our 5 year. but as soon as I get home from Estes park I’m going back on induction for 2 weeks but then my carbs hardly ever go over 20g so its not really a change. )

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello – Tomorrow is my last day on induction. I’ve only lost one pound, but I’m not too discouraged. (I haven’t been drinking enough water, I think.) My confession is that tomorrow evening I’m going out of town with friends until Monday. I know I’ll be lapsing. In fact, I’ve already bought the 12-pack of Pilsner Urquel to bring along. My question is, when I get home should I go back on the induction program for three days to counteract the lapsing for three days? I will watch my calories and make sure I don’t go above 10X my weight. And, since I’ve only lost one pound, maybe I should stay on induction for awhile. It’s getting tough, though, because I get cracker cravings at night. Thanks for any advice/experiences. dutchie

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I think you should….since you are going off plan, you may undo the results of your induction, especially if you get too much sugar and start having cravings again. Do you really have to go off plan? If you ask me, this is a good time to learn how to do LC on the road! I don’t mean to sound like I’m beating up on you, though. You need to do what you think is best for you.

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Brew rate increase

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February 2003 will mark the 5th anniversary of my start in homebrewing. Last Oct., 2001, I brewed my 100th batch..that’s 100 batches in just under 4 years. This coming Sun, I will brew batch #148…that’s 48 batches in just over a year! This is getting scary…pretty soon, I’ll have to brew continously just to keep up the rate of growth! Even scarier is that you’d think that with that rate of brewing, I’d have lots of beer sitting around..BUT NOOOO! Where did it all go? Why has my stomach gotten so large??? ;)

Brewing in a group makes for more brewing, especially when none of the members exercises anything like restraint. So tomorrow’s batch is going to be #139 for us since March 2001. Excess beer is not a problem. There sure are a lot more people coming by to visit these days … ben

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100 gallons a year for you. Another 100 gallons for a wife. If you convert to a polygamous religion, will the revenuers give allow you 100 gallons per wife over the age of 21? It could be part of the dowry. I’ll give you three sheep, a cask of olives, and 100 gallons of beer PER year for the term of your marriage. Hmmm, a spiritual question… Carter

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I take the 5th…. Coincidentally the current survey on my site asks how much you brew in a year. Denny, were you one of the guys who reported "more than that"? cheers, -Alan www.bodensatz.com

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Works for me too. Long as you dont wet yourself, it’s smooth sailing (of course, I just know this as it happened to a friend of mine)… john – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -This works for me… Just before going to bed, gorge yourself with water, don’t worry you are intoxicated and you wont mind. You’ll wake in about 2 hours due to bladder pressure. After reliving your self, gorge on water again, go back to bed, repeat… In the morning, no hangover.. jp February 2003 will mark the 5th anniversary of my start in homebrewing. Last Oct., 2001, I brewed my 100th batch..that’s 100 batches in just under 4 years. This coming Sun, I will brew batch #148…that’s 48 batches in just over a year! This is getting scary…pretty soon, I’ll have to brew continuously just to keep up the rate of growth! Even scarier is that you’d think that with that rate of brewing, I’d have lots of beer sitting around..BUT NOOOO! Where did it all go? Why has my stomach gotten so large??? ;) A doctor in our club gave a talk on alcohol and your body. I had a question besides the obvious ( What does Dr. Noel Wardwell do for hangovers?). How much beer does it take to blow a liver. He estimated that it would take almost a case a day for about 14 years. That is brewing every other day and doing it in an impaired state. Sounds like work to me. The answer to the real important question above is 800 mg Iboprophen and a lot of water. Never Tylenol.

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You musta been in the Navy, right? That’s right out of the Blue Jacket Manual! Regards, Mike Sharp

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Hangover avoidance. Of course don’t drink so much,,, Noooop caint do that. This works for me… Just before going to bed, gorge yourself with water, don’t worry you are intoxicated and you wont mind. You’ll wake in about 2 hours due to bladder pressure. After reliving your self, gorge on water again, go back to bed, repeat… In the morning, no hangover.. jp – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – February 2003 will mark the 5th anniversary of my start in homebrewing. Last Oct., 2001, I brewed my 100th batch..that’s 100 batches in just under 4 years. This coming Sun, I will brew batch #148…that’s 48 batches in just over a year! This is getting scary…pretty soon, I’ll have to brew continuously just to keep up the rate of growth! Even scarier is that you’d think that with that rate of brewing, I’d have lots of beer sitting around..BUT NOOOO! Where did it all go? Why has my stomach gotten so large??? ;) A doctor in our club gave a talk on alcohol and your body. I had a question besides the obvious ( What does Dr. Noel Wardwell do for hangovers?). How much beer does it take to blow a liver. He estimated that it would take almost a case a day for about 14 years. That is brewing every other day and doing it in an impaired state. Sounds like work to me. The answer to the real important question above is 800 mg Iboprophen and a lot of water. Never Tylenol.

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Sounds like good timing, Dan…keep me informed! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Geez Denny, no wonder I can’t get you up here AND you can’t get the plumbing done in your brewery! Give it a rest will ya? I gotta head down to Sweet Home next week. I’m going to try and setup a Eugene stop as well. It would be Thursday night (1/16). I know you’ll be around. Burp, -Dan

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Geez Denny, no wonder I can’t get you up here AND you can’t get the plumbing done in your brewery! Give it a rest will ya? I gotta head down to Sweet Home next week. I’m going to try and setup a Eugene stop as well. It would be Thursday night (1/16). I know you’ll be around. Burp, -Dan — Replace "nospam" with msn to send me email. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – February 2003 will mark the 5th anniversary of my start in homebrewing. Last Oct., 2001, I brewed my 100th batch..that’s 100 batches in just under 4 years. This coming Sun, I will brew batch #148…that’s 48 batches in just over a year! This is getting scary…pretty soon, I’ll have to brew continously just to keep up the rate of growth! Even scarier is that you’d think that with that rate of brewing, I’d have lots of beer sitting around..BUT NOOOO! Where did it all go? Why has my stomach gotten so large??? ;) ——-Denny

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Speaking as a health care professional (pharmacist) your liver is used to "detoxify" your blood stream. Acetaminophen is cleared by a type of reaction that only has so much capacity in your liver – and drinking can deplete the capacity of detoxificationin in your liver. Taking the two at the same time means that there is more acetaminophen left in the body and it is actually toxic if not cleared properly. For the most part any drug (and as I sip on my beer, yes alcohol IS a drug) that needs to be cleared by the liver – and can take up a large amount of the liver’s capacity to clear it – should not be taken at the same time as acetaminophen. Just reduces the risk for a liver transplant. Sean – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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The doctor explained, IIRC, I was drinking, that Tylenol follows the same metabolic pathways alcohol does forming acetaldehyde which aggravates hangovers. Iboprophen does not do this and your info seems to go along with this. — Dan Listermann Check out our E-tail site at www.listermann.com Free shipping for orders greater than $35 and East of the Mighty Miss. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://www.mercola.com/1997/oct/20/tylenol.htm http://www.straightdope.com/columns/000929.html stk 800 mg ibuprophen and alcohol do not combine well for anything except ulcers. Tom Veldhouse A doctor in our club gave a talk on alcohol and your body. I had a question besides the obvious ( What does Dr. Noel Wardwell do for hangovers?). How much beer does it take to blow a liver. He estimated that it would take almost a case a day for about 14 years. That is brewing every other day and doing it in an impaired state. Sounds like work to me. The answer to the real important question above is 800 mg Iboprophen and a lot of water. Never Tylenol.

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Points for Tony! I was wondering who the first one to catch that would be! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I take the 5th…. I find that liter bottles are a better deal Tony V. LS6-b "6N"

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Dan, that is my trick as well, and it works great. Four Ibes with water, before bed. Maybe a little hazy the next day, but no headache. The irony is that when you most need to take it is when you’re most likely to forget. Incidently, after a root canal, my dentist said to take four Ibes at a time, up to four times a day. That’s 3200 mg! I said wow, that’s WAY more than the box allows, and he said not a problem. Ken A.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – February 2003 will mark the 5th anniversary of my start in homebrewing. Last Oct., 2001, I brewed my 100th batch..that’s 100 batches in just under 4 years. This coming Sun, I will brew batch #148…that’s 48 batches in just over a year! This is getting scary…pretty soon, I’ll have to brew continuously just to keep up the rate of growth! Even scarier is that you’d think that with that rate of brewing, I’d have lots of beer sitting around..BUT NOOOO! Where did it all go? Why has my stomach gotten so large??? ;) A doctor in our club gave a talk on alcohol and your body. I had a question besides the obvious ( What does Dr. Noel Wardwell do for hangovers?). How much beer does it take to blow a liver. He estimated that it would take almost a case a day for about 14 years. That is brewing every other day and doing it in an impaired state. Sounds like work to me. The answer to the real important question above is 800 mg Iboprophen and a lot of water. Never Tylenol. — Dan Listermann Check out our E-tail site at www.listermann.com Free shipping for orders greater than $35 and East of the Mighty Miss. ——-Denny

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Paul, I think you’ve found the answer to "where did it go?". My bro-in-law _has_ been visiting a lot more in the last year! ;) But I figure anybody who’ll fly from Houston to Eugene to drink my beer deserves some consideration.

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Coincidentally the current survey on my site asks how much you brew in a year. Denny, were you one of the guys who reported "more than that"? cheers, -Alan www.bodensatz.com

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The medical profession recommends ibuprophen after alcohol consumption because it is removed from the bloodstream by the kidneys as opposed to acetamenaphen (active ingredient in Tylenol) which is removed via the liver. Studies indicate that it is bad longterm to overtax your liver with both – it can accelerate liver damage. http://www.mercola.com/1997/oct/20/tylenol.htm http://www.straightdope.com/columns/000929.html stk – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 800 mg ibuprophen and alcohol do not combine well for anything except ulcers. Tom Veldhouse A doctor in our club gave a talk on alcohol and your body. I had a question besides the obvious ( What does Dr. Noel Wardwell do for hangovers?). How much beer does it take to blow a liver. He estimated that it would take almost a case a day for about 14 years. That is brewing every other day and doing it in an impaired state. Sounds like work to me. The answer to the real important question above is 800 mg Iboprophen and a lot of water. Never Tylenol.

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I take the 5th….

I find that liter bottles are a better deal Tony V. LS6-b "6N"

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I take the 5th…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Coincidentally the current survey on my site asks how much you brew in a year. Denny, were you one of the guys who reported "more than that"? cheers, -Alan www.bodensatz.com

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Creeps up on you, doesn’t it? (the brew rate, not the belly) I just ran the figures a couple of weeks ago for 2002. I’m at 185 gallons for the year, but like you, I have none around the house (well, there’s 15 gallons on deck, but that’s it). I pretty much brew on demand, keeping a rotating stock on hand. Funny thing is, I really don’t drink that much. I have maybe one or two beers a day, and my wife has one about every other day. The thing is, though, when you have a brew pub in your house, every football game is at your place (and the way the Eagles have been playing — it’s going to be a long season!). And if you add hockey to that mix, and it’s no wonder where the beer goes. Remember when it used to piss you off when friends would come over and drink all your beer? Now that you’re making it, you INVITE them to do it! Go figure…

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800 mg ibuprophen and alcohol do not combine well for anything except ulcers.

He is a doctor and that is what he uses on himself. I have to think that he evaluated the pros and cons to his satisfaction. — Dan Listermann Check out our E-tail site at www.listermann.com Free shipping for orders greater than $35 and East of the Mighty Miss. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tom Veldhouse A doctor in our club gave a talk on alcohol and your body. I had a question besides the obvious ( What does Dr. Noel Wardwell do for hangovers?). How much beer does it take to blow a liver. He estimated that it would take almost a case a day for about 14 years. That is brewing every other day and doing it in an impaired state. Sounds like work to me. The answer to the real important question above is 800 mg Iboprophen and a lot of water. Never Tylenol.

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800 mg ibuprophen and alcohol do not combine well for anything except ulcers. Tom Veldhouse

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A doctor in our club gave a talk on alcohol and your body. I had a question besides the obvious ( What does Dr. Noel Wardwell do for hangovers?). How much beer does it take to blow a liver. He estimated that it would take almost a case a day for about 14 years. That is brewing every other day and doing it in an impaired state. Sounds like work to me. The answer to the real important question above is 800 mg Iboprophen and a lot of water. Never Tylenol.

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Reminds me of the little boy who came home from school and told his dad his science teacher was teaching about health. She held up two beakers, one with alcohol and one with water. In the water was a healthy worm swimming around. It the booze was a dead worm. When she asked the class what they could deduce from this, the little boy sprung up and happily reported, "If ya drink, ya won’t have worms!" Ed – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A doctor in our club gave a talk on alcohol and your body. I had a question besides the obvious ( What does Dr. Noel Wardwell do for hangovers?). How much beer does it take to blow a liver. He estimated that it would take almost a case a day for about 14 years. That is brewing every other day and doing it in an impaired state. Sounds like work to me. The answer to the real important question above is 800 mg Iboprophen and a lot of water. Never Tylenol. — Dan Listermann

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Denny, Well done! An inspiration to us brewing young-uns. I’m going to be doing batch #13 this Friday and am solving the rate-of-brewing dilemma of doing my first 10 gal. batch! I also solved the "where did all the beer go" by dusting off my flint shotgun my grand-pappy gave me. Filled it full of rock salt to keep away those pesky neighbors. Damn neighbors drank a case of my IPA on Saturday, then sneaked in a couple bottles of my Stout, THEN some of the Belgians! Doh, not the Belgians! They’re too young! The worst part is that they snuck some outta the Ranchero (no wonder the dogs were barking), and didn’t wash the bottles out when they returned…. only some of them! "Mine, mine!" PS – watch that shifty brother-in-law of yours…. Paul – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – February 2003 will mark the 5th anniversary of my start in homebrewing. Last Oct., 2001, I brewed my 100th batch..that’s 100 batches in just under 4 years. This coming Sun, I will brew batch #148…that’s 48 batches in just over a year! This is getting scary…pretty soon, I’ll have to brew continously just to keep up the rate of growth! Even scarier is that you’d think that with that rate of brewing, I’d have lots of beer sitting around..BUT NOOOO! Where did it all go? Why has my stomach gotten so large??? ;) ——-Denny

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February 2003 will mark the 5th anniversary of my start in homebrewing. Last Oct., 2001, I brewed my 100th batch..that’s 100 batches in just under 4 years. This coming Sun, I will brew batch #148…that’s 48 batches in just over a year! This is getting scary…pretty soon, I’ll have to brew continuously just to keep up the rate of growth! Even scarier is that you’d think that with that rate of brewing, I’d have lots of beer sitting around..BUT NOOOO! Where did it all go? Why has my stomach gotten so large??? ;)

A doctor in our club gave a talk on alcohol and your body. I had a question besides the obvious ( What does Dr. Noel Wardwell do for hangovers?). How much beer does it take to blow a liver. He estimated that it would take almost a case a day for about 14 years. That is brewing every other day and doing it in an impaired state. Sounds like work to me. The answer to the real important question above is 800 mg Iboprophen and a lot of water. Never Tylenol. — Dan Listermann Check out our E-tail site at www.listermann.com Free shipping for orders greater than $35 and East of the Mighty Miss. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ——-Denny

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General question on beer age carbonation

admin — Sat, 04 Jan 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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With a corny keg and CO2, you can control this entirely from flat to Old Faithful. Some would say you can with priming sugar too, but I’d argue that measuring by volume isn’t going to be as repeatable. There are other variables as well. It’s very easy with force carbonation: set the pressure according to the temperature and the desired volumes of CO2. You can still bottle as much as you want. Regards, Mike Sharp

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I opened up a bottle of Nut Brown Ale I brewed this summer. The taste was great, the same as it was since it was first carbonated. The only difference is that it had that carbonation "bite" to it. That tingle on the tonge that I get from the local brew pub. How can I get this in all my beers? I like to brew wheat beers, where it says not to age them, drink after carbonation. I am normally a all bottle kind of guy. I have recently picked up a few corny kegs, party pigs and mini-kegs. Should I prime with more sugar? I use 2/3 ~ 3/4 cup per 5gal. Can I increase this with the expectation to drink the beer quickly? Will the corny keg and CO2 provide this quickly? any suggestions?

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I opened up a bottle of Nut Brown Ale I brewed this summer. The taste was great, the same as it was since it was first carbonated. The only difference is that it had that carbonation "bite" to it. That tingle on the tonge that I get from the local brew pub. How can I get this in all my beers? I like to brew wheat beers, where it says not to age them, drink after carbonation. I am normally a all bottle kind of guy. I have recently picked up a few corny kegs, party pigs and mini-kegs. Should I prime with more sugar? I use 2/3 ~ 3/4 cup per 5gal. Can I increase this with the expectation to drink the beer quickly? Will the corny keg and CO2 provide this quickly? any suggestions?

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How can I get more banana/clove from my Hefeweizen?

admin — Thu, 19 Dec 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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My wife has been drinking the Hefeweizen I made, and loves it. She thinks it needs more of the clove/banana taste to it. She had one at a brew-pub, and liked it alot. I used WLP300 Hefeweizen Ale Yeast Should I try a different yeast? It fermented at 68

Brewpubs in Brussels/Amsterdam?

admin — Mon, 16 Dec 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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Brewpubs in Brussels/Amsterdam or in Bruge,Ghent?

Brouwerij ‘t Ij in Amsterdam is a great (I would even say the very best) brewpub with phantastic beer. They always have Dubbel, Tripel, Barleywine, Pils on Tap plus a few seasonal brews. All are very good. My favourites are the Zatte (tripel) and the Columbus (barleywine). On Friday afternoons, they offer a free (AFAIK) brewery tour. Gregor

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I have to second that – definitely hit Brouwerij ‘t Ij. Pretty easy to spot as it’s in an old windmill. Those beers are amazing. Excellent tour as well. When I was there (2001) Tone was the guy to see. Nice guy. He also ran the Bier Koenig (sp?) a few blocks away. They had a pretty good selection of beers from around the world (emphasis on Europe). He’s also keen on trading, so bring some of your favorites. Maximillian’s was about 2 blocks, umm, north I think, of ‘t Ij. Pretty standard brass, wood, hop vine laden brewpub, but good beer as well. Pick up the Beer Drinkers Guide to Amsterdam. Only about $6 and really helps with good reviews of breweries, brewpubs, and pubs with good beer selections. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Brewpubs in Brussels/Amsterdam or in Bruge,Ghent? Brouwerij ‘t Ij in Amsterdam is a great (I would even say the very best) brewpub with phantastic beer. They always have Dubbel, Tripel, Barleywine, Pils on Tap plus a few seasonal brews. All are very good. My favourites are the Zatte (tripel) and the Columbus (barleywine). On Friday afternoons, they offer a free (AFAIK) brewery tour. Gregor

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Brewpubs in Brussels/Amsterdam or in Bruge,Ghent?

Never mind about brewpubs, the beer-lover’s Mecca in Amsterdam is "In de Wildeman". It’s an absolute gem in the middle of Amsterdam, a short walk from Centraal Station, but it’s an oasis apart from the British lager louts and red-light-district tourists. Fantastic range of beers. http://www.indewildeman.nl/indexe.html This site has details on breweries in Belgium: http://www.belgianstyle.com/mmguide/locate/locate01.html ben

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Not a brew pub, but there is a small pub off the main square in Bruge that has a menu of 300 beers. Very quaint and local.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Brewpubs in Brussels/Amsterdam or in Bruge,Ghent? Thanks — Hank

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Ben W,that site yiou reference is MOST attractive,especially having a smoke free room!! Any tips on good places to eat?

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In Amsterdam, though not a brewpub go to Gollem and I second In de Wildeman. They have about 800 beers between them. Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Brewpubs in Brussels/Amsterdam or in Bruge,Ghent? Thanks

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Brewpubs in Brussels/Amsterdam or in Bruge,Ghent? Thanks — Hank

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Brewpubs in Brussels/Amsterdam or in Bruge,Ghent?

Try going here first: http://www.beerparadise.be Cheers, Todd Bissell Eye Chart Brewing Company "Beers So Bitter, Your Eyes Will Cross!" http://www.eyechartbrewing.com

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Bummer!

admin — Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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There are many, many folks– and actually, very few of them are homeless, although most are immigrants –who will, if allowed, make quite a decent living picking through landfills.

Be careful with those ignorant stereotypes, dude…

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You must not live in the US… Or else you’d know that there’s *always* someone ELSE to blame!!! Guy suing cigarette manufacturer: "Huh??! Smoke isn’t good for me to inhale?? I thought my body’s natural cough reaction meant that the vitamins in the smoke were kicking in!" —–= Posted via Newsfeed.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeed.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== 100,000 Groups! – 19 Servers! – Unlimited Download! =—–

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Maybe so, but my view is that as long as you are not holding anyone to blame for the stuff that may be there (ie bad stuff), you should have the right to take what you want. If i toss a bunch of old stuff (ie old appliances, brewing stuff, books, whatever) out in front of my house for the trash to take away, and someone comes and takes them first, more power to them.. Just piling more and more stuff into landfills is a very shortsited solution. Of course, not generating the trash in the first place is the best solution, but re-using and recycling is second best. john – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -about all the nasty stuff that goes into the typical household’s trash bin…. and I know for a fact that in some municipalities here in the USA, wastewater treatment plants are allowed to dump "inorganic" screenings from the inflow into the landfill with no safeguards of a sanitary nature. There are some very good reasons for the laws ‘guarding the trash’. On the other hand, I’ve found some very useful items at the landfill while dumping my own stuff there. I have a 26" Panasonic TV right here. The only thing wrong with it is a crack in the housing under the picture tube. It works like a champ, but someone simply tossed it away. "Honey, look what followed me home! Can we keep it???" {:-) — –DAsh obvious with attbi)

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"Better Off Dead", but, First, you go that way real fast…if something gets in your way – turn… Cheers! Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – we need that we even throw away perfectly good white boys…. ahem,…. okay, that was an obscure reference to a really funny movie, but I think my point is genuine. May I now return you to your favorite beverage and the production of same– BEER!

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"Better Off Dead", but, First, you go that way real fast…if something gets in your way – turn…

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Hah! I sense a euphemism there. I see Cluster knocked now and then, but it’s always tasted fine to me. This will be the first time I’ve used nothing but, and I suppose if it’s awful it’ll still be a learning experience. I’m only shooting for about 30 IBU, though, so it shouldn’t be overwhelming. True to my word, I did bottle that rye ale today. It had 2 weeks in the secondary, and was only somewhat green tasting now. It was fairly pleasant. Lots of Cluster there, too, but also some Chinook. John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A few big days coming up! Bottling rye ale tomorrow. Day after that I’m starting an all-Cluster APA, and within another couple of days I’ll start a porter. And I need to rack a braggot I’ve got bulk aging too. John Yow, all Cluster…that’s gonna be intewresting.

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Well, everybody’s got their own, tastes. I’ve used Cluster a few times for various things. Sometimes I liked them, sometimes I didn’t, sometimes they were "interesting"! I think an all Cluster beer ought to fall into the "interesting" category. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hah! I sense a euphemism there. I see Cluster knocked now and then, but it’s always tasted fine to me. This will be the first time I’ve used nothing but, and I suppose if it’s awful it’ll still be a learning experience. I’m only shooting for about 30 IBU, though, so it shouldn’t be overwhelming. True to my word, I did bottle that rye ale today. It had 2 weeks in the secondary, and was only somewhat green tasting now. It was fairly pleasant. Lots of Cluster there, too, but also some Chinook. John

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A few big days coming up! Bottling rye ale tomorrow. Day after that I’m starting an all-Cluster APA, and within another couple of days I’ll start a porter. And I need to rack a braggot I’ve got bulk aging too. John

Yow, all Cluster…that’s gonna be intewresting.

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At the risk of sounding dense, why weren’t they allowed to sell things? I thought that’s how junk yards work – collect other people’s crap (saving the rest of us the trouble of looking) and then sell it to the people that want it. Here in Canberra, they started a job-creation project called "Revolve", where long-term unemployed people were paid to collect saleable stuff off the tip-face, organise it and sell it. It’s been so successful, it now employs dozens of people and is a coupla-million dollar operation. Cheers Richard F. This was the type of junk yard that recycles metals. They deal only with that. Apparently the guy didn’t want to deal with any other issues that day. I had an opportunity to just load and go but I had just made it known I was interested in that item and didn’t want to have them "release the hounds". Steve

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You are pretty perceptive – I don’t live in the U.S. Heck, i think we should all agree to kill this thread here and now, i’ve seen too many great NG’s go to hell because a thread like this got out of control.. ANyone brew anything today? John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You must not live in the US… Or else you’d know that there’s *always* someone ELSE to blame!!! Guy suing cigarette manufacturer: "Huh??! Smoke isn’t good for me to inhale?? I thought my body’s natural cough reaction meant that the vitamins in the smoke were kicking in!" —–= Posted via Newsfeed.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeed.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== 100,000 Groups! – 19 Servers! – Unlimited Download! =—–

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: ANyone brew anything today? Not today, but I smacked an old Wyeast 1084 the other day. Gonna take some time off work next week and make an oatmeal stout. All this talk about stout around here has been making me thirsty. Oh, and I bottled roughly 50 litres of beer last night. Had some delightful help, too: Here’s something for you single guys to try. This year for my workplace’s United Way drive I offered a hands on all grain brewing lesson + 23 litres of beer as a silent auction item. The winner got to choose the beer style and I supplied all ingredients, bottles, etc. Anyway, much to my amazement a couple of cute girls from Quebec doing a work term here outbid everyone – they wanted a Blanch de Chambly clone, so we more or less followed the recipe from Clonebrews. I kept telling my wife I was doing this for a good cause But seriously, it was great fun for everyone. I’m going to offer this every year… — Bill

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There are many, many folks– and actually, very few of them are homeless, although most are immigrants –who will, if allowed, make quite a decent living picking through landfills. Be careful with those ignorant stereotypes, dude…

It’s not an ignorant stereotype, friend. I used to work as a trash truck driver and have made many, many trips to several different landfills. ALL the pickers I have seen were obviously not from ’round hyar’bouts, if you catch my drift. And, believe me, I saw a LOT of pickers. Doesn’t mean that I’m denigrating anyone, just making a statement derived from personally observed data points. Here in America, we truly DO have a land of plenty…. plenty of ignorant folks who throw plenty of perfectly reuseable items in the trash because they are too lazy to take a load to the Goodwill or any of several dozen other organizations which could truly benefit from castoffs. We as a society have gotten so used to having way more stuff than we need that we even throw away perfectly good white boys…. ahem,…. okay, that was an obscure reference to a really funny movie, but I think my point is genuine. May I now return you to your favorite beverage and the production of same– BEER! — –DAsh obvious with attbi)

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It’s not as retarded as you may think. There are many, many folks– and actually, very few of them are homeless, although most are immigrants –who will, if allowed, make quite a decent living picking through landfills. Now, before you bring up the argument again that this is a good thing, think about all the nasty stuff that goes into the typical household’s trash bin…. and I know for a fact that in some municipalities here in the USA, wastewater treatment plants are allowed to dump "inorganic" screenings from the inflow into the landfill with no safeguards of a sanitary nature. There are some very good reasons for the laws ‘guarding the trash’. On the other hand, I’ve found some very useful items at the landfill while dumping my own stuff there. I have a 26" Panasonic TV right here. The only thing wrong with it is a crack in the housing under the picture tube. It works like a champ, but someone simply tossed it away. "Honey, look what followed me home! Can we keep it???" {:-) — –DAsh obvious with attbi)

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What a retarded law!! WHat’s the point? If you look around and take some stuff home, that’s a few less things filling a landfill! Sheesh! So there they are, guarding the ‘trash’…retarded I say! john – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think he meant a trash dump. Around here you can drive in and dump but can’t pickup anything… too bad to because I’ve seen many valuable items at the dump. Junk Yards owners on the other hand will sell you there mother for a price… no offence intended to reputable owners but my ex-brother-in-law owns a junk yard…don’t ask.. — Bill Bufkin Homebrewing site http://home.swbell.net/bufkin What a bummer, I went to the junk yard yesterday and as I was exiting my vehical I spyed this nice shiny 40-50 lb aluminum cylinder with that familiar Co2 type valve on top. I thought man "come to papa". Being the honest sort I inquiered within. Of course they proceeded to give me the "No, we don’t sell things here and insurance prohibits us from giving it to you" Ugh! I was bummed! It looked fine. Not a dent or scatch. But I had to let it go. At the risk of sounding dense, why weren’t they allowed to sell things? I thought that’s how junk yards work – collect other people’s crap (saving the rest of us the trouble of looking) and then sell it to the people that want it. Here in Canberra, they started a job-creation project called "Revolve", where long-term unemployed people were paid to collect saleable stuff off the tip-face, organise it and sell it. It’s been so successful, it now employs dozens of people and is a coupla-million dollar operation. Cheers Richard F.

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I think he meant a trash dump. Around here you can drive in and dump but can’t pickup anything… too bad to because I’ve seen many valuable items at the dump. Junk Yards owners on the other hand will sell you there mother for a price… no offence intended to reputable owners but my ex-brother-in-law owns a junk yard…don’t ask.. — Bill Bufkin Homebrewing site http://home.swbell.net/bufkin

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What a bummer, I went to the junk yard yesterday and as I was exiting my vehical I spyed this nice shiny 40-50 lb aluminum cylinder with that familiar Co2 type valve on top. I thought man "come to papa". Being the honest sort I inquiered within. Of course they proceeded to give me the "No, we don’t sell things here and insurance prohibits us from giving it to you" Ugh! I was bummed! It looked fine. Not a dent or scatch. But I had to let it go. At the risk of sounding dense, why weren’t they allowed to sell things? I thought that’s how junk yards work – collect other people’s crap (saving the rest of us the trouble of looking) and then sell it to the people that want it. Here in Canberra, they started a job-creation project called "Revolve", where long-term unemployed people were paid to collect saleable stuff off the tip-face, organise it and sell it. It’s been so successful, it now employs dozens of people and is a coupla-million dollar operation. Cheers Richard F.

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What a bummer, I went to the junk yard yesterday and as I was exiting my vehical I spyed this nice shiny 40-50 lb aluminum cylinder with that familiar Co2 type valve on top. I thought man "come to papa". Being the honest sort I inquiered within. Of course they proceeded to give me the "No, we don’t sell things here and insurance prohibits us from giving it to you" Ugh! I was bummed! It looked fine. Not a dent or scatch. But I had to let it go.

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Talk to the owner alone, bring cash. I’ve had the same thing happen to me. Sometimes the owner will look at the money, then look the other way. It’s money in his pocket that he doesn’t have to pay taxes on…

Many, many times, cash talks and …. I recently went to a brew pub and was told the sampler was only 5 beers. They had six on tap. I told them to give me all six beers on the sampler. The waiter explained that it only came with 5. I replied that since they have six beers, I wanted all six and that when he brings the standard 5 to add a single with it. He understood what I meant which was "If you desire any tip, my sampler will contain 6 beers"…;) Cheers, Mike

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They have a fence? You ever play toss-across? Just kidding…;) Cheers, Mike