Brewing Master

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On Tue 29 Oct 2002 10:31:50a, Lisa knelt before Her Imperial Highness and in a most grave and reverent tone said: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "meg" <nom…@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag > news:Xns92B65BC2F8B19megmerritthotmailcom@130.133.1.4… >> On Tue 29 Oct 2002 06:06:00a, Lisa knelt before Her Imperial Highness >> and in a most grave and reverent tone said: >> > "Wry Bread" <wrybr…@nwlink.REMOVEcom> schrieb im Newsbeitrag >> > news:ursjme90r4bbf6@corp.supernews.com… >> >> William Parker <wlparker-dont-s…@sympatico.ca> wrote: >> >> > Is this pretty sad or what?:)  Despite the fact that I have no >> >> > standards >> >> at >> >> > all, almost, I’m pretty confident that my odds of getting into a >> >> > relationship in the next year or so are less than 50%. >> >> My only standard is that they have to like me. >> >> Haven’t found one yet. >> > HA. >> > You said there was a woman flirting with you. >> > I remember it. >> > Now which is it? >> > They don’t like you >> > -or- >> > you want to reject people so you don’t have anyone so you can >> > whine. -and- >> > Take my advice and grow a goatee.  :P >> > Everyone?  Can I have your attention please? >> > Wry is a pretty good looking fellow who’d look immeasurably better >> > (read that: sexy) if he grew a little chin hair. >> > Help me convince him of this please? >> > He’s addicted to baldness and its ruining his social life. >> Yes, a goatee is absolutely in order.  And jpegs. > Beware the dirty look. > It’s a keeler. >> Hello, my name is meg, and I am a beardaholic. > He stoutly refuses. > I believe someone should agree to go in and take all razors from his > home. Razors are dangerous. > Ditto electric shavers. > He could seriously injure himself.

Well no.. one must keep it neatly trimmed.  Grizzly Adams did not look especially kissable. — "Nunc scio quit sit amor."            ~*~

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wlparker-dont-s…@sympatico.ca (William Parker) wrote: > > Jees, no wonder Maas doesn’t post much anymore.  His slot’s taken. > Oh come on!  Comparing me to Maas is as silly as comparing bringing out the > Hellmann’s with the tangy zip of Miracle Whip.

You seem to be somewhat of an expert on mayonnaise…

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"Wry Bread" <wrybr…@nwlink.REMOVEcom> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:ursjme90r4bbf6@corp.supernews.com… > William Parker <wlparker-dont-s…@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > Is this pretty sad or what?:)  Despite the fact that I have no standards > at > > all, almost, I’m pretty confident that my odds of getting into a > > relationship in the next year or so are less than 50%. > My only standard is that they have to like me. > Haven’t found one yet.

HA. You said there was a woman flirting with you. I remember it. Now which is it? They don’t like you -or- you want to reject people so you don’t have anyone so you can whine. -and- Take my advice and grow a goatee.  :P Everyone?  Can I have your attention please? Wry is a pretty good looking fellow who’d look immeasurably better (read that: sexy) if he grew a little chin hair. Help me convince him of this please? He’s addicted to baldness and its ruining his social life.

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On Tue 29 Oct 2002 06:06:00a, Lisa knelt before Her Imperial Highness and in a most grave and reverent tone said: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Wry Bread" <wrybr…@nwlink.REMOVEcom> schrieb im Newsbeitrag > news:ursjme90r4bbf6@corp.supernews.com… >> William Parker <wlparker-dont-s…@sympatico.ca> wrote: >> > Is this pretty sad or what?:)  Despite the fact that I have no >> > standards >> at >> > all, almost, I’m pretty confident that my odds of getting into a >> > relationship in the next year or so are less than 50%. >> My only standard is that they have to like me. >> Haven’t found one yet. > HA. > You said there was a woman flirting with you. > I remember it. > Now which is it? > They don’t like you > -or- > you want to reject people so you don’t have anyone so you can whine. > -and- > Take my advice and grow a goatee.  :P > Everyone?  Can I have your attention please? > Wry is a pretty good looking fellow who’d look immeasurably better > (read that: sexy) if he grew a little chin hair. > Help me convince him of this please? > He’s addicted to baldness and its ruining his social life.

Yes, a goatee is absolutely in order.  And jpegs. Hello, my name is meg, and I am a beardaholic. — "Nunc scio quit sit amor."            ~*~

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"William Parker" <wlparker-dont-s…@sympatico.ca> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:Xns92B5918C92F25wlparkersympaticoca@207.35.177.134… > Somehow, between the ages of 16 and 26, I have gone to being very picky in > my ideas of what I want in a woman, to where I am right now!  Here’s how > absurdly desperate I am:

No flame, William, but I get the impression you’re extremely picky and hard to satisfy.  Even for yourself.  :-/ Maybe this contributed to the problem in the first place?  Like having prerequisites on how things must be in order to be happy about them. Not talking about superficial stuff like looks or weight or anything like that.  More like saying ‘Situation "A" must occur and must "B" before "C" can progress’. I remember the thread where you spoke of your previous relationship and how although this chick was really into you, you didn’t feel the way you thought you would/should. Although I recognize it’s not the ideal, I believe there are people who settle and learn to appreciate someone who’s less than their idea of the perfect partner.  Said more bluntly, learn to love the one they’re with rather than face the alternative when prospects look bleak.  I’ll bet it happens alot more than we think it does. As long as you don’t commit to a ltr (marriage) with such a person, what’s wrong with keeping them around to satisfy your need for contact and physical comfort? > I would go out on a date, and be willing to do some physical stuff, with any > premenopausal woman who showed some kind of sexual interest, I think.  I > mean *any*, heh.  I don’t know if I can imagine rejecting someone after one > date.  The only reasons would be if they are clearly abusive towards me or > have severe emotional problems I can’t deal with.  Or else they clearly > wanted a long term relationship and I didn’t think that could happen.  The > alternative, of course, is nothing, so anything can’t really be that bad!

This is your nads talking.  And at your age this is a very understandable way to feel.  I mean, this is the time you’re supposed to be going forth and being fruitful, right?  So your body is in high gear for that and isn’t getting any satisfaction.  This doesn’t make you desperate.  Makes you feel that way certainly, but doesn’t label you. I can imagine (boy can I imagine, remember the rant I posted about not getting any?  it’s still like that for me)… I can imagine how hard this must be on you. > To further my absurd amount of desperation, I think that for any woman under > about 35 interested in me, reasonably intelligent to the point where I could > be interested in communicating with her, and pretty emotionally stable and > with some self respect, living anywhere in the US or Canada, I would be > willing to fly over for a visit within a couple of weeks, and if she still > liked me, I might very well be willing to move somewhere nearby within a > couple of months, just on the speculative chance that a relationship could > maybe happen. > Is this pretty sad or what?:)

No. It’s human. > Despite the fact that I have no standards at > all, almost, I’m pretty confident that my odds of getting into a > relationship in the next year or so are less than 50%.

I’m wondering how you calculate this.

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"meg" <nom…@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:Xns92B65BC2F8B19megmerritthotmailcom@130.133.1.4… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Tue 29 Oct 2002 06:06:00a, Lisa knelt before Her Imperial Highness > and in a most grave and reverent tone said: > > "Wry Bread" <wrybr…@nwlink.REMOVEcom> schrieb im Newsbeitrag > > news:ursjme90r4bbf6@corp.supernews.com… > >> William Parker <wlparker-dont-s…@sympatico.ca> wrote: > >> > Is this pretty sad or what?:)  Despite the fact that I have no > >> > standards > >> at > >> > all, almost, I’m pretty confident that my odds of getting into a > >> > relationship in the next year or so are less than 50%. > >> My only standard is that they have to like me. > >> Haven’t found one yet. > > HA. > > You said there was a woman flirting with you. > > I remember it. > > Now which is it? > > They don’t like you > > -or- > > you want to reject people so you don’t have anyone so you can whine. > > -and- > > Take my advice and grow a goatee.  :P > > Everyone?  Can I have your attention please? > > Wry is a pretty good looking fellow who’d look immeasurably better > > (read that: sexy) if he grew a little chin hair. > > Help me convince him of this please? > > He’s addicted to baldness and its ruining his social life. > Yes, a goatee is absolutely in order.  And jpegs.

Beware the dirty look. It’s a keeler. > Hello, my name is meg, and I am a beardaholic.

He stoutly refuses. I believe someone should agree to go in and take all razors from his home. Razors are dangerous. Ditto electric shavers. He could seriously injure himself.

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William Parker <wlparker-dont-s…@sympatico.ca> wrote: > Is this pretty sad or what?:)  Despite the fact that I have no standards at > all, almost, I’m pretty confident that my odds of getting into a > relationship in the next year or so are less than 50%.

My only standard is that they have to like me. Haven’t found one yet.

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"Lisa" <lisaster…@blerg.com> wrote in news:apld46$nce$05$1@news.t-online.com: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "William Parker" <wlparker-dont-s…@sympatico.ca> schrieb im > Newsbeitrag news:Xns92B5918C92F25wlparkersympaticoca@207.35.177.134… >> Somehow, between the ages of 16 and 26, I have gone to being very >> picky in my ideas of what I want in a woman, to where I am right now! >> Here’s how absurdly desperate I am: > No flame, William, but I get the impression you’re extremely picky and > hard to satisfy.  Even for yourself.  :-/ > Maybe this contributed to the problem in the first place?  Like having > prerequisites on how things must be in order to be happy about them. > Not talking about superficial stuff like looks or weight or anything > like that.  More like saying ‘Situation "A" must occur and must "B" > before "C" can progress’. > I remember the thread where you spoke of your previous relationship and > how although this chick was really into you, you didn’t feel the way > you thought you would/should.

Went out with someone for two years, felt at the time that I wouldn’t feel right marrying the first girl I ever went out with, and should experience something else.  Whether or not that was a foolish decision, it’s past.   (I’m still friends with her, but she has been going out with another guy for over a year.)  She, in retrospect, thinks the decision to break up was a good one. Second girl, among other things, was talking about when was an appropriate time to propose after a week of dating, had a history of being suicidal (I was the first she dated in a year and a half since her fiance left her), and was starting to find little emotional ways to make me feel inadequate and bad about myself.  If I’m being too picky getting away from that, then there’s not much hope for me, is there?  I still talk to her too, and I do like her and think she’s quite smart, just that there’s no way I could have stuck with her in good conscience knowing that she only was interested in a relationship if it was heading for marriage (which she was/is). I am hard to satisfy, in terms of what I want out of myself.  I am not someone who is content, but someone who is looking for things to work on and improve.  I am anal about shit to extremes!  This is who I am, and it gives me a lot of strengths. > Although I recognize it’s not the ideal, I believe there are people who > settle and learn to appreciate someone who’s less than their idea of > the perfect partner.  Said more bluntly, learn to love the one they’re > with rather than face the alternative when prospects look bleak.  I’ll > bet it happens alot more than we think it does. > As long as you don’t commit to a ltr (marriage) with such a person, > what’s wrong with keeping them around to satisfy your need for contact > and physical comfort?

Nothing whatsofreakingever:)   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> I would go out on a date, and be willing to do some physical stuff, >> with any premenopausal woman who showed some kind of sexual interest, >> I think. I mean *any*, heh.  I don’t know if I can imagine rejecting >> someone after one date.  The only reasons would be if they are clearly >> abusive towards me or have severe emotional problems I can’t deal >> with.  Or else they clearly wanted a long term relationship and I >> didn’t think that could happen.  The alternative, of course, is >> nothing, so anything can’t really be that bad! > This is your nads talking.  And at your age this is a very > understandable way to feel.  I mean, this is the time you’re supposed > to be going forth and being fruitful, right?  So your body is in high > gear for that and isn’t getting any satisfaction.  This doesn’t make > you desperate.  Makes you feel that way certainly, but doesn’t label > you. I can imagine (boy can I imagine, remember the rant I posted about > not getting any?  it’s still like that for me)… I can imagine how > hard this must be on you.

Oh I survive, with the help of emotional exploration on the internet, heh. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> To further my absurd amount of desperation, I think that for any woman >> under about 35 interested in me, reasonably intelligent to the point >> where I could be interested in communicating with her, and pretty >> emotionally stable and with some self respect, living anywhere in the >> US or Canada, I would be willing to fly over for a visit within a >> couple of weeks, and if she still liked me, I might very well be >> willing to move somewhere nearby within a couple of months, just on >> the speculative chance that a relationship could maybe happen. >> Is this pretty sad or what?:) > No. > It’s human. >> Despite the fact that I have no standards at >> all, almost, I’m pretty confident that my odds of getting into a >> relationship in the next year or so are less than 50%. > I’m wondering how you calculate this.

Mostly obvservations of my past looking at how many reasonable opportunities come up, and what my rate of success with them has been.  I was actively looking for a girlfriend for over a year before I got one, and it’s been a year and a half since then with no hits.

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Joel Crum <yeah> wrote in news:Xns92B5EACCA87EDcrumjdhotmailcom@216.148.53.100: Interesting post! >> I wonder if I’m the most absurdly desperate person in this group > Let me tell you what I’d do if I was in your position: >          * First I’d take a big long break.  I couldn’t take work off >          because > they’d never give me that much time off.  But I would quit my; pool > league on Mondays, my work out class on Thursdays and Thursdays, my lan > gaming night Friday, my mountain biking Saturday, and I might not even > go to church Sunday.  I wouldn’t run, lift weights, cook meals, write, > chat on the net, brew beer, call up family, or do any of the other > things I normally do.  Instead I’d sleep.  I’d get in a good 10 hours > every night, I might even take some sleeping pills to help me get more > sleep.  I’d keep that up for a month or three – however long it took to > start waking up totally without my alarm clock.

Here’s some stuff I’ve done in the last three years.  (I had a girlfriend for some of that time.)  I quit my job, made about 150k US in the stock market, bought a car outright, and didn’t work for a year and a half.  I had some ambitious plans to write a computer game, but was a complete failure at the self motivation part.  I quit working out, and pretty much all other activities and hobbies for over a year.  Got lots of sleep, lol!  Spent about a month where the main focus of my life was playing Everquest.  Same thing with Diablo II.  Same thing with Age of Empires II.  Spent many many hours, and about 300,000 words on IRC.  Wrote an AI for a real time strategy game.  Read some math books.  Met a girl on the internet in California I really liked and flew to visit, but who ended up not being attracted to me.   Completely got over all forms of caring about what other people think.  Went from being too shy to post to this, lol!  Went from about 200 pounds to about 155 at the lowest, about 162 right now.  Went from where doing 10 reps on the bench press at 95 pounds would make me sore to right now where my powerlifting maxes are about 235 on the bench, and maybe about 275 squat, 300 deadlift.  Picked up the clarinet for the first time in about seven years and played with a band for awhile.  Got into singing and opera, got a teacher, and now people are calling me up offering my parts in more things than I have time for. I was very close to moving somewhere else far, and I would have in a heartbeat if I had something concrete to move towards, say a possible relationship. So that *was* my similar plan!  The trouble with me, and I think this is probably one of the main things that distinguishes me from you, is that although we both have very good ideas of exactly what we would like in a woman ideally, I have figured out that the kind of person I want doesn’t want me. This, I suspect, doesn’t have much to do at all with superficial shit that I could change.  It probably has a lot to do with the fact that I have traits very similar to those of Schizoid disorders and Asperger’s syndrome. >          * Thus pimped I’d start hanging out at hangouts.  I’d eat on >          the > college campus whenever I could and if I saw a girl sitting alone or > even a group of girls I’d go right up and ask if there was a seat free. >  I’d laugh I’d talk I’d joke, I’d blow it a lot but if it went well I’d > make sure I suggested that we should get together again some time!  I’d > also start going to the coffee shops, I’d write there.  You know I > think I’d get a laptop instead of the geeky palmtop I use, or maybe I’d > write with a pen and paper – who knows!  Whatever looks coolest!  When > I saw girls sitting alone there I’d talk to them as well.  I’d ask them > out as well!  I’d still fail a lot but screw it I’d learn to do it > better!!

Yeah, it would probably be a lot easier to talk myself into this stuff if I enjoyed being social, heh.  I’ve become frighteningly comfortable and confident being the antisocial asshole who just doesn’t give a fuck. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->          * I’d ask out pretty girls who seemed a little off-putting. >          There > are girls out there that never get asked out because they intimidate > the #@$% out of guys and they’d be happy if more men asked them out.   >          * I *wouldn’t* tell people "oh I’m a contractor programming >          A.I.’s > for the government" (which is what I actually do) I’d bloody well > pretend I don’t have any sort of job at all.  The girls would figure I > sold drugs to get money for my pimpin cloths.  <Hugo Drax> > Premenopausal girls like men who sell drugs because…. </ Hugo Drax >. >          * I -would- get that stupid contracting venture I’ve wanted to >          start > off the ground.  That would give me an excuse to print up a bunch of > fancy business cards, I’d give them to the girls.  I might not get any > contracts but it sure would be a good way to give them my phone number! >          * I’d take a dance class.  And then I’d ask some of the other >          people > in my class if they wanted to go clubbing with me!  If they were female > I might try to cultivate a romance if they were male I’d watch their > style.  One way or the other at the club I’d try to talk to groups of > girls who seemed to be having a good time.  I think that’s the ticket > be friendly with a group of girls, then they won’t be threatened and > they will be feeling a little wild because they are out with friends. > Eventually I’d ask the whole group if *anyone* wanted to dance.  I bet > now and then the single one of the lot would get pushed right into my > lap.  I’d give her a card. >          * I’d take boxing, and knife combat classes.  I’d learn how to >          kick > anyone’s ass!  That would make me feel a little more sure of my self.   > People would see that and respect me more.

I’m very sure of myself physically, I don’t know that I have much to gain from anything like this.  I don’t have the ability to show this with my body though or "take up space".   > The really great thing about this list is it’s no nutty marathon of > hitting on girls in the grocery store.

It includes a nutty marathon of bullshitting about who you are, what you do, and what you like, and hitting on girls in cafeterias and coffee shops though!  I know I come across as impossibly dense and immune to all suggestions. > It’s a real live life that I > wouldn’t mind living.  And I’ll bet you that if I did that I’d get > plenty of girlfriends. > You?  Well I’m not you.  But I challenge you to come up with a similar > list!

Tentative plan is:  Get abs (possibly will be low enough in fat for that by about December-January).  Make lots of money in the next couple of years.   Train with a voice teacher who has trained professional singers before, and play a major opera role (could probably do that next year.)  Clean my apartment, but not like you’re talking about lol!  All that stuff is extremely easy compared to getting female attention.  I was never able to overcome the heat of the moment enough to start talking to a woman, and I don’t really see this changing.  When I am at my most optimistic and confident, the type of woman I would really like to have a relationship with doesn’t seem to find me attractive, so I have no expectations there.  Having *some* woman like me would be fantastic though!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Subject: Re: I wonder if I’m the most absurdly desperate person in this group >From: wlparker-dont-s…@sympatico.ca  (William Parker) >Date: 10/28/02 1:06 PM Mountain Standard Time >Message-id: <Xns92B59A5076B33wlparkersympatic…@207.35.177.134> >dudenephx1…@aol.com (DudeNEPhx1971) wrote in >news:20021028150021.09974.00001090@mb-bk.aol.com: >>>Subject: I wonder if I’m the most absurdly desperate person in this >>>group From: wlparker-dont-s…@sympatico.ca  (William Parker) >>>Date: 10/28/02 12:14 PM Mountain Standard Time >>>Message-id: <Xns92B5918C92F25wlparkersympatic…@207.35.177.134> >>>Somehow, between the ages of 16 and 26, I have gone to being very picky >>>in my ideas of what I want in a woman, to where I am right now!  Here’s >>>how absurdly desperate I am: >>>I would go out on a date, and be willing to do some physical stuff, >>>with any premenopausal woman who showed some kind of sexual interest, I >>>think.  I mean *any*, heh.  I don’t know if I can imagine rejecting >>>someone after one date.  The only reasons would be if they are clearly >>>abusive towards me or have severe emotional problems I can’t deal with. >>> Or else they clearly wanted a long term relationship and I didn’t >>>think that could happen.  The alternative, of course, is nothing, so >>>anything can’t really be that bad! >>>To further my absurd amount of desperation, I think that for any woman >>>under about 35 interested in me, reasonably intelligent to the point >>>where I could be interested in communicating with her, and pretty >>>emotionally stable and with some self respect, living anywhere in the >>>US or Canada, I would be willing to fly over for a visit within a >>>couple of weeks, and if she still liked me, I might very well be >>>willing to move somewhere nearby within a couple of months, just on the >>>speculative chance that a relationship could maybe happen. >>>Is this pretty sad or what?:)  Despite the fact that I have no >>>standards at all, almost, I’m pretty confident that my odds of getting >>>into a relationship in the next year or so are less than 50%. >>  This rant came sooner than I thought, after that long "William’s >>  celibacy" >> thread. >It’s not that much of a rant, really, just more an exploration of how I >feel.  I’m still standing by the celibacy thing as well, in that it’s very >possibly the way things will end up for me, and that I really don’t need >women, and have accepted that this is livable, if not desireable!  It’s just >that if any woman came along, she could spoil the whole thing quite easily.

  Toronto has too many coffee shops and I saw lot of chicks there. Maybe thats one good place to try. Since we dont have a direct approach, maybe spot their car parked outside, remove air from the tire, later help them out, offer a "ride"…:D

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -wlparker-dont-s…@sympatico.ca (William Parker) wrote in message <news:Xns92B5918C92F25wlparkersympaticoca@207.35.177.134>… > Somehow, between the ages of 16 and 26, I have gone to being very picky in > my ideas of what I want in a woman, to where I am right now!  Here’s how > absurdly desperate I am: > I would go out on a date, and be willing to do some physical stuff, with any > premenopausal woman who showed some kind of sexual interest, I think.  I > mean *any*, heh.  I don’t know if I can imagine rejecting someone after one > date.  The only reasons would be if they are clearly abusive towards me or > have severe emotional problems I can’t deal with.  Or else they clearly > wanted a long term relationship and I didn’t think that could happen.  The > alternative, of course, is nothing, so anything can’t really be that bad! > To further my absurd amount of desperation, I think that for any woman under > about 35 interested in me, reasonably intelligent to the point where I could > be interested in communicating with her, and pretty emotionally stable and > with some self respect, living anywhere in the US or Canada, I would be > willing to fly over for a visit within a couple of weeks, and if she still > liked me, I might very well be willing to move somewhere nearby within a > couple of months, just on the speculative chance that a relationship could > maybe happen. > Is this pretty sad or what?:)  Despite the fact that I have no standards at > all, almost, I’m pretty confident that my odds of getting into a > relationship in the next year or so are less than 50%.

Jees, no wonder Maas doesn’t post much anymore.  His slot’s taken.

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Doomed_forthesakeofmomen…@hotmail.com (The Babaloughesian) wrote in news:ada1932d.0210281856.5507a6bd@posting.google.com: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> wlparker-dont-s…@sympatico.ca (William Parker) wrote in message > <news:Xns92B5918C92F25wlparkersympaticoca@207.35.177.134>… >> Somehow, between the ages of 16 and 26, I have gone to being very >> picky in my ideas of what I want in a woman, to where I am right now! >> Here’s how absurdly desperate I am: >> I would go out on a date, and be willing to do some physical stuff, >> with any premenopausal woman who showed some kind of sexual interest, >> I think.  I mean *any*, heh.  I don’t know if I can imagine rejecting >> someone after one date.  The only reasons would be if they are clearly >> abusive towards me or have severe emotional problems I can’t deal >> with.  Or else they clearly wanted a long term relationship and I >> didn’t think that could happen.  The alternative, of course, is >> nothing, so anything can’t really be that bad! >> To further my absurd amount of desperation, I think that for any woman >> under about 35 interested in me, reasonably intelligent to the point >> where I could be interested in communicating with her, and pretty >> emotionally stable and with some self respect, living anywhere in the >> US or Canada, I would be willing to fly over for a visit within a >> couple of weeks, and if she still liked me, I might very well be >> willing to move somewhere nearby within a couple of months, just on >> the speculative chance that a relationship could maybe happen. >> Is this pretty sad or what?:)  Despite the fact that I have no >> standards at all, almost, I’m pretty confident that my odds of getting >> into a relationship in the next year or so are less than 50%. > Jees, no wonder Maas doesn’t post much anymore.  His slot’s taken.

Oh come on!  Comparing me to Maas is as silly as comparing bringing out the Hellmann’s with the tangy zip of Miracle Whip.

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"Virgo Cluster" <gamma_n…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:dd95baf2.0210281818.3959e7f3@posting.google.com… > Do you really think this applies to a nontrivial percentage of > the guys here — being too picky when 16-26? I sure hope not, > because I pretty much had William’s standards (i.e. basically > none) throughout this period and I didn’t come close to getting > a date, and this includes these "going out with one or more girls > but it’s not really a date" type of things that I’ve been reading > a lot about in here. Note that I’m talking about going to a movie > or having dinner with a girl … kissing or anything beyond were > things I thought about, but only in a vague science-fictional way. > I know I sort of don’t count since I’m now married, but I think I > was a lot closer to someone like Wry Bread throughout my 20’s than > most of the guys here.

Let me tell you a story from when I was in high school.  There was a guy I was pretty good friends with who was pretty shy and seemed like someone who should have been posting here.  The two years or so we were hanging out, he never dated.  He spent a lot of time obsessing about a few different girls that he really liked who wouldn’t give him the time of day.  They were all the same type, hot in a traditional sense with lots of makeup and tight revealing clothing.  During this time, he and I were spending lunch together daily, talked to each other constantly in the classes we shared, and even did things together outside of school from time to time.  Had he ever bothered to ask me out, I would have gladly gone.  But I was so beneath his radar that I don’t think he even noticed I was female.  I bet if you’d asked him, he would have thought there weren’t any girls interested in him at all. The real problem though was that he was being picky.  I think at least some of the people here are the same way.  They only see the girls who are completely unattainable and don’t notice that there may be other choices out there.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -William Parker wrote: > Somehow, between the ages of 16 and 26, I have gone to being very picky in > my ideas of what I want in a woman, to where I am right now!  Here’s how > absurdly desperate I am: > I would go out on a date, and be willing to do some physical stuff, with any > premenopausal woman who showed some kind of sexual interest, I think.  I > mean *any*, heh.  I don’t know if I can imagine rejecting someone after one > date.  The only reasons would be if they are clearly abusive towards me or > have severe emotional problems I can’t deal with.  Or else they clearly > wanted a long term relationship and I didn’t think that could happen.  The > alternative, of course, is nothing, so anything can’t really be that bad! > To further my absurd amount of desperation, I think that for any woman under > about 35 interested in me, reasonably intelligent to the point where I could > be interested in communicating with her, and pretty emotionally stable and > with some self respect, living anywhere in the US or Canada, I would be > willing to fly over for a visit within a couple of weeks, and if she still > liked me, I might very well be willing to move somewhere nearby within a > couple of months, just on the speculative chance that a relationship could > maybe happen. > Is this pretty sad or what?:)  Despite the fact that I have no standards at > all, almost, I’m pretty confident that my odds of getting into a > relationship in the next year or so are less than 50%.

I think being a little picky might improve your odds. If a female feels you have no standards at all, she would be less likely to like you. If she feels you have high standards, and you communicate to her that she exceeds them she would be very pleased. -M

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wlparker-dont-s…@sympatico.ca (William Parker) wrote in news:Xns92B5918C92F25wlparkersympaticoca@207.35.177.134: > I wonder if I’m the most absurdly desperate person in this group

Let me tell you what I’d do if I was in your position:         * First I’d take a big long break.  I couldn’t take work off because they’d never give me that much time off.  But I would quit my; pool league on Mondays, my work out class on Thursdays and Thursdays, my lan gaming night Friday, my mountain biking Saturday, and I might not even go to church Sunday.  I wouldn’t run, lift weights, cook meals, write, chat on the net, brew beer, call up family, or do any of the other things I normally do.  Instead I’d sleep.  I’d get in a good 10 hours every night, I might even take some sleeping pills to help me get more sleep.  I’d keep that up for a month or three – however long it took to start waking up totally without my alarm clock.         * Next I’d get some things in order, my finances for one.  They are close but not there yet I still need to invest nearly *cough*,000 dollars.  I’d clean my house.  And when I say that I mean deep clean, I’d be like ponds medicated pads anything I haven’t used in the past three months would go bye bye.         * Next I’d sell^H^H^H^H, throw out^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H, burn^H^H^H^H, soak in trinitrotoluene float into the sky on a hydrogen balloon and shoot with a rocket all my cloths.  I’d get new ones.  GOOD new ones!   I’d have the pants tailors and the shirts altered (it only costs about 10 bucks per garment), I’d have casual, good looking casual, dressy casual, dressy, and formal.  I’d pick a level for were I was going and I’d change cloths ten times a day if need be.  You know why I’d do that?  Because I don’t wear cloths for *me* anyway I wear them for other people, so that they won’t have to see my naked butt!  Might as well ones other people like.  Next I’d get contacts, scratch that, I’d have my eyes surgically corrected!  I’ve been meaning to for a long time anyway.  And I’d start dieing my beard to make it look thicker.  Hell I’d put Rogaine on it to make it BE thicker.         * Thus pimped I’d start hanging out at hangouts.  I’d eat on the college campus whenever I could and if I saw a girl sitting alone or even a group of girls I’d go right up and ask if there was a seat free.  I’d laugh I’d talk I’d joke, I’d blow it a lot but if it went well I’d make sure I suggested that we should get together again some time!  I’d also start going to the coffee shops, I’d write there.  You know I think I’d get a laptop instead of the geeky palmtop I use, or maybe I’d write with a pen and paper – who knows!  Whatever looks coolest!  When I saw girls sitting alone there I’d talk to them as well.  I’d ask them out as well!   I’d still fail a lot but screw it I’d learn to do it better!!         * I’d ask out pretty girls who seemed a little off-putting.  There are girls out there that never get asked out because they intimidate the #@$% out of guys and they’d be happy if more men asked them out.           * I *wouldn’t* tell people "oh I’m a contractor programming A.I.’s for the government" (which is what I actually do) I’d bloody well pretend I don’t have any sort of job at all.  The girls would figure I sold drugs to get money for my pimpin cloths.  <Hugo Drax> Premenopausal girls like men who sell drugs because…. </ Hugo Drax >.         * I -would- get that stupid contracting venture I’ve wanted to start off the ground.  That would give me an excuse to print up a bunch of fancy business cards, I’d give them to the girls.  I might not get any contracts but it sure would be a good way to give them my phone number!         * I’d take a dance class.  And then I’d ask some of the other people in my class if they wanted to go clubbing with me!  If they were female I might try to cultivate a romance if they were male I’d watch their style.   One way or the other at the club I’d try to talk to groups of girls who seemed to be having a good time.  I think that’s the ticket be friendly with a group of girls, then they won’t be threatened and they will be feeling a little wild because they are out with friends.  Eventually I’d ask the whole group if *anyone* wanted to dance.  I bet now and then the single one of the lot would get pushed right into my lap.  I’d give her a card.         * I’d take boxing, and knife combat classes.  I’d learn how to kick anyone’s ass!  That would make me feel a little more sure of my self.   People would see that and respect me more. The really great thing about this list is it’s no nutty marathon of hitting on girls in the grocery store.  It’s a real live life that I wouldn’t mind living.  And I’ll bet you that if I did that I’d get plenty of girlfriends. You?  Well I’m not you.  But I challenge you to come up with a similar list! – Joel C.

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wlparker-dont-s…@sympatico.ca (William Parker) wrote in message <news:Xns92B597AA75D24wlparkersympaticoca@207.35.177.134>… > "Hugo Drax" <hugod…@draxindustries.com> wrote in > news:apk3gu$287pp$1@ID-155262.news.dfncis.de: > > thats what happens when your TFP during 16-26 (TFP – too fucking picky) > > 16-26 is the age men should sexually experiment with women etc.. not > > look for the perfect wife etc.. somehow it will happen along the line > > during the "experiments" > Something like that.  I think the emotional state I was in in high school > was something too fucked up to do any dating at all.  For instance, it would > have been way too stressful to face my friends and my parents and have them > be all surprised that I was going so out of character by going out with a > women, or something.  

That sounds familiar. For me, *I* thought that being with girls was a huge part of my character. I was worried that other people would make comments about it being so unlikely for me to date, or telling me that she’s too good for me, or saying Who did I think I was to ask *her* out? KC

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"Hugo Drax" <hugod…@draxindustries.com> wrote in message

<news:apk3gu$287pp$1@ID-155262.news.dfncis.de>… > thats what happens when your TFP during 16-26 (TFP – too fucking > picky) 16-26 is the age men should sexually experiment with > women etc.. not look for the perfect wife etc.. somehow it > will happen along the line during the "experiments"

Since William stepped up to the ranting plate, I suppose it’s time for me to do a little of my own . . . Do you really think this applies to a nontrivial percentage of the guys here — being too picky when 16-26? I sure hope not, because I pretty much had William’s standards (i.e. basically none) throughout this period and I didn’t come close to getting a date, and this includes these "going out with one or more girls but it’s not really a date" type of things that I’ve been reading a lot about in here. Note that I’m talking about going to a movie or having dinner with a girl … kissing or anything beyond were things I thought about, but only in a vague science-fictional way. I know I sort of don’t count since I’m now married, but I think I was a lot closer to someone like Wry Bread throughout my 20’s than most of the guys here. Virgo Cluster

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I would trade anything for a girlfriend I could love. "William Parker" <wlparker-dont-s…@sympatico.ca> wrote in message

news:Xns92B5918C92F25wlparkersympaticoca@207.35.177.134… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Somehow, between the ages of 16 and 26, I have gone to being very picky in > my ideas of what I want in a woman, to where I am right now!  Here’s how > absurdly desperate I am: > I would go out on a date, and be willing to do some physical stuff, with any > premenopausal woman who showed some kind of sexual interest, I think.  I > mean *any*, heh.  I don’t know if I can imagine rejecting someone after one > date.  The only reasons would be if they are clearly abusive towards me or > have severe emotional problems I can’t deal with.  Or else they clearly > wanted a long term relationship and I didn’t think that could happen.  The > alternative, of course, is nothing, so anything can’t really be that bad! > To further my absurd amount of desperation, I think that for any woman under > about 35 interested in me, reasonably intelligent to the point where I could > be interested in communicating with her, and pretty emotionally stable and > with some self respect, living anywhere in the US or Canada, I would be > willing to fly over for a visit within a couple of weeks, and if she still > liked me, I might very well be willing to move somewhere nearby within a > couple of months, just on the speculative chance that a relationship could > maybe happen. > Is this pretty sad or what?:)  Despite the fact that I have no standards at > all, almost, I’m pretty confident that my odds of getting into a > relationship in the next year or so are less than 50%.

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"Mr. Teatime" <mr_teatime…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:_Fgv9.74$HA5.3784879@news-text.cableinet.net… > I can’t relate. A woman has never made herself available to me, for a date > or anything near that. I think I would be bowled over with surprise and > gratefulness if ANYONE wanted to be with me for a night, especially if > they’re female as this carries extra connotations.

…and when I say weight, I mean really overweight, not the ‘oh god Im two pounds heavier’ bullshit that the ahem, ‘modern woman’ (re: idiot) talks about.

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dudenephx1…@aol.com (DudeNEPhx1971) wrote in news:20021028150021.09974.00001090@mb-bk.aol.com: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Subject: I wonder if I’m the most absurdly desperate person in this >>group From: wlparker-dont-s…@sympatico.ca  (William Parker) >>Date: 10/28/02 12:14 PM Mountain Standard Time >>Message-id: <Xns92B5918C92F25wlparkersympatic…@207.35.177.134> >>Somehow, between the ages of 16 and 26, I have gone to being very picky >>in my ideas of what I want in a woman, to where I am right now!  Here’s >>how absurdly desperate I am: >>I would go out on a date, and be willing to do some physical stuff, >>with any premenopausal woman who showed some kind of sexual interest, I >>think.  I mean *any*, heh.  I don’t know if I can imagine rejecting >>someone after one date.  The only reasons would be if they are clearly >>abusive towards me or have severe emotional problems I can’t deal with. >> Or else they clearly wanted a long term relationship and I didn’t >>think that could happen.  The alternative, of course, is nothing, so >>anything can’t really be that bad! >>To further my absurd amount of desperation, I think that for any woman >>under about 35 interested in me, reasonably intelligent to the point >>where I could be interested in communicating with her, and pretty >>emotionally stable and with some self respect, living anywhere in the >>US or Canada, I would be willing to fly over for a visit within a >>couple of weeks, and if she still liked me, I might very well be >>willing to move somewhere nearby within a couple of months, just on the >>speculative chance that a relationship could maybe happen. >>Is this pretty sad or what?:)  Despite the fact that I have no >>standards at all, almost, I’m pretty confident that my odds of getting >>into a relationship in the next year or so are less than 50%. >  This rant came sooner than I thought, after that long "William’s >  celibacy" > thread.

It’s not that much of a rant, really, just more an exploration of how I feel.  I’m still standing by the celibacy thing as well, in that it’s very possibly the way things will end up for me, and that I really don’t need women, and have accepted that this is livable, if not desireable!  It’s just that if any woman came along, she could spoil the whole thing quite easily.

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Somehow, between the ages of 16 and 26, I have gone to being very picky in my ideas of what I want in a woman, to where I am right now!  Here’s how absurdly desperate I am: I would go out on a date, and be willing to do some physical stuff, with any premenopausal woman who showed some kind of sexual interest, I think.  I mean *any*, heh.  I don’t know if I can imagine rejecting someone after one date.  The only reasons would be if they are clearly abusive towards me or have severe emotional problems I can’t deal with.  Or else they clearly wanted a long term relationship and I didn’t think that could happen.  The alternative, of course, is nothing, so anything can’t really be that bad! To further my absurd amount of desperation, I think that for any woman under about 35 interested in me, reasonably intelligent to the point where I could be interested in communicating with her, and pretty emotionally stable and with some self respect, living anywhere in the US or Canada, I would be willing to fly over for a visit within a couple of weeks, and if she still liked me, I might very well be willing to move somewhere nearby within a couple of months, just on the speculative chance that a relationship could maybe happen. Is this pretty sad or what?:)  Despite the fact that I have no standards at all, almost, I’m pretty confident that my odds of getting into a relationship in the next year or so are less than 50%.

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thats what happens when your TFP during 16-26 (TFP – too fucking picky) 16-26 is the age men should sexually experiment with women etc.. not look for the perfect wife etc.. somehow it will happen along the line during the "experiments" "William Parker" <wlparker-dont-s…@sympatico.ca> wrote in message

news:Xns92B5918C92F25wlparkersympaticoca@207.35.177.134… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Somehow, between the ages of 16 and 26, I have gone to being very picky in > my ideas of what I want in a woman, to where I am right now!  Here’s how > absurdly desperate I am: > I would go out on a date, and be willing to do some physical stuff, with any > premenopausal woman who showed some kind of sexual interest, I think.  I > mean *any*, heh.  I don’t know if I can imagine rejecting someone after one > date.  The only reasons would be if they are clearly abusive towards me or > have severe emotional problems I can’t deal with.  Or else they clearly > wanted a long term relationship and I didn’t think that could happen.  The > alternative, of course, is nothing, so anything can’t really be that bad! > To further my absurd amount of desperation, I think that for any woman under > about 35 interested in me, reasonably intelligent to the point where I could > be interested in communicating with her, and pretty emotionally stable and > with some self respect, living anywhere in the US or Canada, I would be > willing to fly over for a visit within a couple of weeks, and if she still > liked me, I might very well be willing to move somewhere nearby within a > couple of months, just on the speculative chance that a relationship could > maybe happen. > Is this pretty sad or what?:)  Despite the fact that I have no standards at > all, almost, I’m pretty confident that my odds of getting into a > relationship in the next year or so are less than 50%.

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"Hugo Drax" <hugod…@draxindustries.com> wrote in news:apk3gu$287pp$1@ID-155262.news.dfncis.de: > thats what happens when your TFP during 16-26 (TFP – too fucking picky) > 16-26 is the age men should sexually experiment with women etc.. not > look for the perfect wife etc.. somehow it will happen along the line > during the "experiments"

Something like that.  I think the emotional state I was in in high school was something too fucked up to do any dating at all.  For instance, it would have been way too stressful to face my friends and my parents and have them be all surprised that I was going so out of character by going out with a women, or something.  It never really occured to me at all that women could even be a part of my world, which probably sounds strange.  In university, I had at least one or two chances to date someone, but partly from being too picky, and partly from having really deep mechanisms at work that prevented me, I didn’t.  The next woman, if there is one, who shows some fairly clear signs of sexual interest in me, though, I am going to ask out, and I’m almost certainly not going to be the one to reject, unless there is a really clear reason why dating and a relationship is entirely impossible.

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I can’t relate. A woman has never made herself available to me, for a date or anything near that. I think I would be bowled over with surprise and gratefulness if ANYONE wanted to be with me for a night, especially if they’re female as this carries extra connotations. "William Parker" <wlparker-dont-s…@sympatico.ca> wrote in message

news:Xns92B5918C92F25wlparkersympaticoca@207.35.177.134… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Somehow, between the ages of 16 and 26, I have gone to being very picky in > my ideas of what I want in a woman, to where I am right now!  Here’s how > absurdly desperate I am: > I would go out on a date, and be willing to do some physical stuff, with any > premenopausal woman who showed some kind of sexual interest, I think.  I > mean *any*, heh.  I don’t know if I can imagine rejecting someone after one > date.  The only reasons would be if they are clearly abusive towards me or > have severe emotional problems I can’t deal with.  Or else they clearly > wanted a long term relationship and I didn’t think that could happen.  The > alternative, of course, is nothing, so anything can’t really be that bad! > To further my absurd amount of desperation, I think that for any woman under > about 35 interested in me, reasonably intelligent to the point where I could > be interested in communicating with her, and pretty emotionally stable and > with some self respect, living anywhere in the US or Canada, I would be > willing to fly over for a visit within a couple of weeks, and if she still > liked me, I might very well be willing to move somewhere nearby within a > couple of months, just on the speculative chance that a relationship could > maybe happen. > Is this pretty sad or what?:)  Despite the fact that I have no standards at > all, almost, I’m pretty confident that my odds of getting into a > relationship in the next year or so are less than 50%.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Subject: I wonder if I’m the most absurdly desperate person in this group >From: wlparker-dont-s…@sympatico.ca  (William Parker) >Date: 10/28/02 12:14 PM Mountain Standard Time >Message-id: <Xns92B5918C92F25wlparkersympatic…@207.35.177.134> >Somehow, between the ages of 16 and 26, I have gone to being very picky in >my ideas of what I want in a woman, to where I am right now!  Here’s how >absurdly desperate I am: >I would go out on a date, and be willing to do some physical stuff, with any >premenopausal woman who showed some kind of sexual interest, I think.  I >mean *any*, heh.  I don’t know if I can imagine rejecting someone after one >date.  The only reasons would be if they are clearly abusive towards me or >have severe emotional problems I can’t deal with.  Or else they clearly >wanted a long term relationship and I didn’t think that could happen.  The >alternative, of course, is nothing, so anything can’t really be that bad! >To further my absurd amount of desperation, I think that for any woman under >about 35 interested in me, reasonably intelligent to the point where I could >be interested in communicating with her, and pretty emotionally stable and >with some self respect, living anywhere in the US or Canada, I would be >willing to fly over for a visit within a couple of weeks, and if she still >liked me, I might very well be willing to move somewhere nearby within a >couple of months, just on the speculative chance that a relationship could >maybe happen. >Is this pretty sad or what?:)  Despite the fact that I have no standards at >all, almost, I’m pretty confident that my odds of getting into a >relationship in the next year or so are less than 50%.

 This rant came sooner than I thought, after that long "William’s celibacy" thread.

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