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admin — Wed, 18 Aug 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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Well, I’ve got some mixed feelings after reading this. I just returned from a week of camping… I made some refrigerator-brewed tea before I left, and it was packed in ice. Every day or two, (notice I said "or two"), I discarded any leftover tea and started a new batch. Never noticed any ropy-ness or odor. It was pretty good. I only used filtered water. I might re-think this next time. anyway, started with Trader Joes Special Ice Tea Blend. Other’s included STASH Black Currant & Peach Iced Teas, and some Peppermint… Have a good one! Steve

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here’s a link to an artilcle about the dangers of sun tea http://tinyurl.com/3nwff And a warning from www.healers.org "A WARNING ABOUT SUN TEA: Solar power is great for many uses. But tea is susceptible to bacteria that cannot be killed unless the tea is heated beyond what the sun alone can do. The Centers for Disease Control and the National Tea Association therefore recommend brewing tea at 195 degree for three to five minutes. Also never keep any tea at room temperature beyond eight hours. In place of sun tea, a safer bet is to "brew" the tea overnight in the refrigerator instead." << I like to drink green tea iced tea. I have been making it using hot water and as a sun tea. I’m wondering if either method is more beneficial health wise? More or less caffeine, polyphenols etc. I realise that the health benefits may be less than advertised but I like the stuff regardless. I figure if I’m going to drink it I might as well get the greatest possible benefit from whichever brewing method is best. I do notice that the hot brewing method produces a stronger slightly bitter brew. Anyone? Sid…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I like to drink green tea iced tea. I have been making it using hot water and as a sun tea. I’m wondering if either method is more beneficial health wise? More or less caffeine, polyphenols etc. I realise that the health benefits may be less than advertised but I like the stuff regardless. I figure if I’m going to drink it I might as well get the greatest possible benefit from whichever brewing method is best. I do notice that the hot brewing method produces a stronger slightly bitter brew. Anyone? Sid… I could be wrong but it doesn’t seem there is a health benefit to sun tea over regularly brewed tea. I haven’t been able to find reliable proof anyway. Sun tea is pushed as environmentally better because it uses solar power rather than burning fossil fuels. BJ I was wondering if it takes heat to extract the most caffeine, polyphenols or whatever else is good about green tea or do you in fact get more from a cold brew? Sid…

Don’t really know, I would think the extraction process would be pretty much the same regardless of the heat, within reason. I have found no authoritive source for such information The best I have found is a study by Colorado State University about the increased chance of bacterial contamination when brewing sun tea. http://www.colostate.edu/Orgs/safefood/NEWSLTR/v3n2s06.html BJ

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was wondering if it takes heat to extract the most caffeine, polyphenols or whatever else is good about green tea or do you in fact get more from a cold brew? Sid… Don’t really know, I would think the extraction process would be pretty much the same regardless of the heat, within reason. I have found no authoritive source for such information The best I have found is a study by Colorado State University about the increased chance of bacterial contamination when brewing sun tea. http://www.colostate.edu/Orgs/safefood/NEWSLTR/v3n2s06.html BJ

Thanks, Maybe I’ll follow their suggestion and brew it overnight in the refridgerator and see how it tastes. Sid…

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Steeping works, it doesn’t require heat: steep2 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (stp) v. steeped, steep

Not a good night – Rant – long

admin — Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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10 Congrats for not smoking. Making it past emotional tests is a real challenge. …pat. of — Pat and Ash http://www3.sympatico.ca/patash/ Pat blogs at http://patsgreenthumb.blogspot.com/ Ash blogs as Michael Court at http://conceptions.blogspot.com/

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ROFL! Nice snipping! I hereby upgrade Shel’s score from a 10.0 to a 15.0! Paula

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A *Perfect* Ten! Shel, you are a wonderful Mother, Wife, animal slave (Im a bunny slave)… Dont let anyone convince you otherwise! (understandingly) Julia

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I’m a mess. I’m having a rotten evening/night. DH decided to be an fucking ass tonight, and we got in a huge fight (don’t worry, he’d never, ever hit me, I’d kill him, and he knows it). After spending 2 hours screaming, yelling, cussing, slamming doors, and breaking 2 plates that were in the sink (my new ones, the dick), the fight’s over. Why is it over? Did we make up? No, of course not! He’s gone to sleep, like everything’s hunky-dory! Well, it’s NOT! I’m sad, I’m crying, and I’m still fucking pissed, and he’s snoozing away. How the FUCK can men DO that?! (no offense to all you nice guys here on AS3) Anyway, part of it was that I’m spending too much time on the computer and not enough time cleaning. Funny, he’s had the flu for 3 days, and has slept all but about 5 hours of those days, but he knows what *I’ve* been doing?! I waited on his whiny ass, hand and foot for all 3 of those days, without a single complaint. I also didn’t see *him* cleaning a G*d damned thing! I don’t have a clue what he’s being such a dickwipe about, the laundry is done, the dishes are done, the bed was made, counters wiped, etc, etc, etc, on into the sunset. Not to mention that the kids got to school & back, and dinner was done on time. The only thing I could possibly see that he’d have to bitch about is I haven’t vacuumed since Monday, and the kitchen floor needs mopping (it’s raining & muddy, and bigdog had to actually PEE a couple of times today, and actually WENT OUTSIDE to do it, and then CAME BACK IN afterwords).

BBBBBBAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDD – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – few days. Anyway, I didn’t want you all to worry about me, I’m fine, I’m just going to humor buttface and cut down the time I spend online for a few days. I’m going to clean the house until you can eat off of the fucking floor, and then I’m going to make him do it!!!!! As a matter of fact, I think I’ll feed him out of bigdog’s bowl. Bigdog can eat at the table with the rest of the civilized beings in this house. Okay, that’s a little better. Sorry for yelling at you guys, I knew you’d understand. I’m going to sleep (on the couch, of course), so I can get up early, take the kids to school, go to the grocery store, and clean the Oh, just in case you were wondering: Hugs, Shel (if I didn’t smoke tonight- and I didn’t-, I’ll NEVER smoke again) *M+* No*Embers One month, one day, 15 hours, 2 minutes and 9 seconds. 948 cigarettes not smoked, saving $142.32. Life saved: 3 days, 7 hours, 0 minutes.

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Oh Shel, this was absolutely beautiful!! You certainly know how to let it all hang out! But….food for thought….when some one is being an ungrateful dick, and can’t seem to appreciate all the stuff I do……I tend to go the other way…..and give em what they are accusing me of. I can pretty much stop doing anything for someone soooo special. After all, you wouldn’t want him to be made out to be a liar would you!! And him sick and all…..po baby. Besides….girl, you need to take care of you too!! Will staying away from the puter help you or hurt you?? Sumptin to tink about…… Not to mention we’d miss ya!! Ripley / stiring up trouble in Pink — Santa’s hard at work keepin out da shit!! Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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Hubby and I never saw eye to eye on what is consider "clean". He thinks the house should be ready for company, can pass a white glove test at all times……I like a more comfortable, lived-in look. Early in our marriage it became clear that he expected me to take care of the housework OK …I will clean to my comfort level. If he wants it any cleaner he can either 1) do it himself or 2) hire someone else to do it. He’s gotten used to the lived-in look. :) Can you compromise? When my computer use got out of hand I set limits for blank) I used the computer as a reward after a job well done. Make sure he knows that you are not just playing on the computer. Your are getting a handle on an addiction. Hugs sweetie. Hope you’re back in the bedroom tonight. Chris

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OMG!!! I hadn’t read this particular response until just now, and Jef., I must say that you’re good, very good. I laughed my ass off! Hugs, Shel (almost made me pee my pants, Jef did) *M+* No*Embers One month, four days, 7 hours, 44 minutes and 54 seconds. 1029 cigarettes not smoked, saving $154.45. Life saved: 3 days, 13 hours, 45 minutes.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Shel" wrote … fucking ass…huge fight…hit me…kill him… screaming, yelling, cussing, slamming doors, and breaking 2 plates… … the dick…fucking pissed…FUCK…whiny ass…dickwipe…bitch…PEE a couple of times

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10.0 from the Wisconsin judge. Fantastic rant. I don’t blame you for being pissed off… at DH (NOT dear husband in this case) or at your son who lied to you. Hang in there. Hugs, Nicole Two years, ten months, five days, 5 hours, 47 minutes and 50 seconds. 36338 cigarettes not smoked, saving $6,468.24. Time I can spend with my little one that I wouldn’t have if I were smoking: 18 weeks, 4 hours, 10 minutes. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi all, I’m a mess. I’m having a rotten evening/night. DH decided to be an fucking ass tonight, and we got in a huge fight (don’t worry, he’d never, ever hit me, I’d kill him, and he knows it). After spending 2 hours screaming, yelling, cussing, slamming doors, and breaking 2 plates that were in the sink (my new ones, the dick), the fight’s over. Why is it over? Did we make up? No, of course not! He’s gone to sleep, like everything’s hunky-dory! Well, it’s NOT! I’m sad, I’m crying, and I’m still fucking pissed, and he’s snoozing away. How the FUCK can men DO that?! (no offense to all you nice guys here on AS3) Anyway, part of it was that I’m spending too much time on the computer and not enough time cleaning. Funny, he’s had the flu for 3 days, and has slept all but about 5 hours of those days, but he knows what *I’ve* been doing?! I waited on his whiny ass, hand and foot for all 3 of those days, without a single complaint. I also didn’t see *him* cleaning a G*d damned thing! I don’t have a clue what he’s being such a dickwipe about, the laundry is done, the dishes are done, the bed was made, counters wiped, etc, etc, etc, on into the sunset. Not to mention that the kids got to school & back, and dinner was done on time. The only thing I could possibly see that he’d have to bitch about is I haven’t vacuumed since Monday, and the kitchen floor needs mopping (it’s raining & muddy, and bigdog had to actually PEE a couple of times today, and actually WENT OUTSIDE to do it, and then CAME BACK IN afterwords).

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This is one of the best rants I’ve ever seen here. I’ve been lurking for a few days and have not had a chance to post, so welcome back Shel, WOW! already a month done. As to why we can just go to sleep, I’ll answer that when you can tell me how woman can always sniff out the smallest chinks in the armor and exploit them to no end GregB Three years, eight months, one week, two days, 2 hours, 7 minutes and 29 seconds. 13480 cigarettes not smoked, saving $2,157.01. Life saved: 6 weeks, 4 days, 19 hours, 20 minutes.

Snipped for sake of bandwidth……. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh, just in case you were wondering: Hugs, Shel (if I didn’t smoke tonight- and I didn’t-, I’ll NEVER smoke again) *M+* No*Embers One month, one day, 15 hours, 2 minutes and 9 seconds. 948 cigarettes not smoked, saving $142.32. Life saved: 3 days, 7 hours, 0 minutes.

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OMG Shel….glad to see you didn’t hold back! I can hear your frustration and I’m pissed at your DH and don’t even know him. AND if you didn’t smoke through that….you’re in control! You go girl!!! Annie *W* No*Embers 0y 1m 1d 8h 10m 33s Cigarettes not smoked… 626.8134 Life reclaimed (days)… 2.1764

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How do we do it? Easy, it’s what we brew beer for – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Anyway, part of it was that I’m spending too much time on the computer and not enough time cleaning. Funny, he’s had the flu for 3 days, and has slept all but about 5 hours of those days, but he knows what *I’ve* been doing?! I waited on his whiny ass, hand and foot for all 3 of those days, without a single complaint. I also didn’t see *him* cleaning a G*d damned thing! I don’t have a clue what he’s being such a dickwipe about, the laundry is done, the dishes are done, the bed was made, counters wiped, etc, etc, etc, on into the sunset. Not to mention that the kids got to school & back, and dinner was done on time. The only thing I could possibly see that he’d have to bitch about is I haven’t vacuumed since Monday, and the kitchen floor needs mopping (it’s raining & muddy, and bigdog had to actually PEE a couple of times today, and actually WENT OUTSIDE to do it, and then CAME BACK IN afterwords).

Listen, I don’t really want to break this to you [some delusional dames might disagree with this, but hey, so so..], but the fact remains: women’s lib is over, it came and went, tis no more I’m afraid. The only thing it achieved was giving credibility to men for not being the sole bread winner. Other than that, everything is just what it always was.That’s what I call progress But you’re doing just great on the non-smoking front….if it’s any consolation Should be! bobf 3y+++

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"Shel" wrote … fucking ass…huge fight…hit me…kill him… screaming, yelling, cussing, slamming doors, and breaking 2 plates… … the dick…fucking pissed…FUCK…whiny ass…dickwipe…bitch…PEE a

couple of times

BBBBBBAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDD …buttface ….eat off of the fucking floor…

(Jef. backs away v-e-r-y …..s-l-o-w-l-y and tiptoes from the room, trying not to be noticed…)

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LMAO We know somewhere deep inside Jef. that not all men are BAD BAD people. LOL Kim

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Oh sweet Shel, That was THE BEST rant I have ever read!!!!! You have such a way with putting your emotions into words, you should write books!! Well, I swore that I wouldn’t give any advice here til I quit again, but I’ve been right where you are, so here goes… Think about this…in the beginning of a quit, everyone knows that yer going thru a rough time, so they kinda walk on eggshells around ya…after a month or so, they think "hell, she should be *over* it by now". THEY DON’T GET IT! DH needs to understand that this is a long process & if you need as3 every second of the day for a year…so be it! It just sounds like he’s pissy & taking it out on you…fuck ‘em! You hold your ground, sweetie! Do what YOU need to do & to hell with everything else!!!! Luv ya, Cat

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Hey Shel First of all (((((((((Shel)))))))) I know your pain. Hi all, I’m a mess. I’m having a rotten evening/night. DH decided to be an fucking ass tonight, and we got in a huge fight (don’t worry, he’d never, ever hit me, I’d kill him, and he knows it). After spending 2 hours screaming, yelling, cussing, slamming doors, and breaking 2 plates that were in the sink (my new ones, the dick), the fight’s over.

This is a site I found informative you may too. http://drirene.com/catbox/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=7 Why is it over? Did we make up? No, of course not! He’s gone to sleep, like everything’s hunky-dory! Well, it’s NOT! I’m sad, I’m crying, and I’m still fucking pissed, and he’s snoozing away. How the FUCK can men DO that?! (no offense to all you nice guys here on AS3)

Better yet WHY. When they KNOW we are all twisted up inside and need for them to resolve some stuff, before we can even begin to think about sleeping, why does someone who cares about you do this? I think all thier built up shit is spent and they feel relief, and comfort. Anyway, part of it was that I’m spending too much time on the computer and not enough time cleaning.

You are taking on a major addiction and maybe just maybe need to spend some time caring about YOU. Strange concept I know. If the internet helps you like several others cope and quit oh well. Funny, he’s had the flu for 3 days, and has slept – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – all but about 5 hours of those days, but he knows what *I’ve* been doing?! I waited on his whiny ass, hand and foot for all 3 of those days, without a single complaint. I also didn’t see *him* cleaning a G*d damned thing! I don’t have a clue what he’s being such a dickwipe about, the laundry is done, the dishes are done, the bed was made, counters wiped, etc, etc, etc, on into the sunset. Not to mention that the kids got to school & back, and dinner was done on time. The only thing I could possibly see that he’d have to bitch about is I haven’t vacuumed since Monday, and the kitchen floor needs mopping (it’s raining & muddy, and bigdog had to actually PEE a couple of times today, and actually WENT OUTSIDE to do it, and then CAME BACK IN afterwords).

Is he a bad Dad too? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And if all that’s not bad enough, he made an ass out of himself in front of up and skin him alive vvveeerrryyy ssslllooowwwlllyyy!!! Cocksucker. So you may notice the conspicuous absence of SHEL THE BAD MOM AND SUCKY HOUSEKEEPER, CRAPPY HOMEWORK SUPERVISOR, AND BBBBBBAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDD days. Anyway, I didn’t want you all to worry about me, I’m fine, I’m just going to humor buttface and cut down the time I spend online for a few days. I’m going to clean the house until you can eat off of the fucking floor, and then I’m going to make him do it!!!!! As a matter of fact, I think I’ll feed him out of bigdog’s bowl. Bigdog can eat at the table with the rest of the civilized beings in this house. Okay, that’s a little better. Sorry for yelling at you guys, I knew you’d understand. I’m going to sleep (on the couch, of course), so I can get up early, take the kids to school, go to the grocery store, and clean the

Sorry if I sound harsh and bitter but I am harsh and bitter.:) Hope thing DO get better! Stay quit don’t give it up for anyone!!!!!! Kim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh, just in case you were wondering: Hugs, Shel (if I didn’t smoke tonight- and I didn’t-, I’ll NEVER smoke again) *M+* No*Embers One month, one day, 15 hours, 2 minutes and 9 seconds. 948 cigarettes not smoked, saving $142.32. Life saved: 3 days, 7 hours, 0 minutes.

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A big ol’10!! Fuckface dickwad indeed! Made me giggle fersure. Whuddya MEAN yer crying and he’s sleeping? Never is that way for Norm. He tries to sleep when I’m all upset and I find ways to get him woke up. Know whut I mean? He wants me quiet when he sleeps then all he’ll hear is my fingernails on these ‘puter keys. Nice and quiet. LOL Gonna have Normie read yer rant so he can SEE how I feel sometimes. Feed the hubby a buncha TheraFlu and make him get his medicated butt up and clean.

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Wow…terrific rant Shel. Can I come over and slap your DH around a bit? Your post really made me want to!!! I used to have fights like this (well, different subjects, but just as awful) with my ex…but then he would get in the car, and drive off and leave me for hours. Man, that was just the worst. I am so glad despite your pain and sadness and pissed off ness, you didn’t smoke! I hope he crawls up soon to be forgiven Paula 10 from the Kiwi Judge

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I’m a mess. I’m having a rotten evening/night. DH decided to be an fucking ass tonight, and we got in a huge fight (don’t worry, he’d never, ever hit me, I’d kill him, and he knows it). After spending 2 hours screaming, yelling, cussing, slamming doors, and breaking 2 plates that were in the sink (my new ones, the dick), the fight’s over. Why is it over? Did we make up? No, of course not! He’s gone to sleep, like everything’s hunky-dory! Well, it’s NOT! I’m sad, I’m crying, and I’m still fucking pissed, and he’s snoozing away. How the FUCK can men DO that?! (no offense to all you nice guys here on AS3) Anyway, part of it was that I’m spending too much time on the computer and not enough time cleaning. Funny, he’s had the flu for 3 days, and has slept all but about 5 hours of those days, but he knows what *I’ve* been doing?! I waited on his whiny ass, hand and foot for all 3 of those days, without a single complaint. I also didn’t see *him* cleaning a G*d damned thing! I don’t have a clue what he’s being such a dickwipe about, the laundry is done, the dishes are done, the bed was made, counters wiped, etc, etc, etc, on into the sunset. Not to mention that the kids got to school & back, and dinner was done on time.

A word of advice? Get rid of dickwad. Uh, not in the permanent termination sense of the word, but in the physical and emotional sense. I can’t imagine living under those restrictions (again). In fact, I won’t (ever again). I felt like I’d escaped a prison when I took my son, dog, computer, car and a few clothes and disappeared. I didn’t know how to relax for a long time, I was so used to being judged and put down. There’s no need to live like that. But, that’s just my opinion since I’m very cynical about controling and verbally abusive spouses. I will NOT live lke that again. You have all my support and sympathy. I’ve been there, done that. But not for the past six, glorious years! *hugs* BinnieBee – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The only thing I could possibly see that he’d have to bitch about is I haven’t vacuumed since Monday, and the kitchen floor needs mopping (it’s raining & muddy, and bigdog had to actually PEE a couple of times today, and actually WENT OUTSIDE to do it, and then CAME BACK IN afterwords).

– BinnieBee – A Proud Double Old Fogie! %% (—-) ( __< ) ^^ ~~ ^^ ~f3as3~ Quit since 11/01/2001 http://binniebee.com http://www.cyberdigs.com

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No question about it… that’s a *10* Blowing you a big KISS and a sending a large HUG. Us men are dicks at times – because we *have* dicks and have a tendency to use them to think with when we think we are under stress. I have absolutely no idea what a big blow-up at home is like. Someone asked us recently why they had never seen or heard of us (DW and I) having a row. "That’s because we never have, in almost twenty five years of being together". We attribute it to being lilly-livered, non-confrontational, stiff-upper-lip British types who, when pissed off with each other will – when pushed – perhaps throw a savage "look" or two. Although you have a bad feeling right now, I’m sure you are better off getting the air clear on one shot like that; keeping all that emotion pent up must be bad for one really. Anyway – you have felt aggrieved, put-upon, and abused – and didn’t reach for the old escape; so you can spite him by winning complete victory over the moral high-ground – "Hey yeah, but despite all your shit Mr, I didn’t smoke – so *I* win – nyaa nyaa nya nyaa…" — Succorso OF

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Okay, that’s a little better. Sorry for yelling at you guys, I knew you’d understand. I’m going to sleep (on the couch, of course), so I can get up early, take the kids to school, go to the grocery store, and clean the

No apology needed *10* steveb

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wooohoooo, Shel…..this is one rant to be admired. Reminds me a lot of Kathleen back in her early days except I don’t see ‘fuckity fuck’ in there. I would still rate this one a ‘10′ because I felt like ranting right along with you and I ‘felt’ the pain/anger you were feeling when you posted this. Hope things are going better. If DH continues to be a DH in the worst sense of the word, maybe he’d like to share a room with my DH who IS a DH in the worst sense of the word at the moment…..ggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr……. Sally

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OMG! I solemnly pass on the scepter to the new wicked awesome Rantress! May she reign until the … heathens buy her a romba or whatever that little vacuum thing is called. I give it a 10. This is unheard of since you didn’t use the "fuckity fuck" phrase. I work 3 days a week, and you can tell when I book more of my time. I can’t work that much and also cook, clean, and take care of myself. Taking care of myself includes 2 12-step program meetings, Weight Watchers on Monday, and a bible study. All in addition to my weekly church group meeting and a new ministry I am going into – which will require 3 hours every Friday night. With just one kiddo here (all the time – the older one just comes every other weekend) it is not so hard to keep somewhat clean, but forget me constantly picking up after them. They just have to start doing their share, in this house. With hope and heart, Kathleen — The Road goes ever on and on Down from the door where it began. Now far ahead the Road has gone, And I must follow, if I can, Pursuing it with eager feet, Until it joins some larger way Where many paths and errands meet. And whither then? I cannot say. ~ J.R.R. Tolkien

: Hi all, I’m a mess. I’m having a rotten evening/night. DH decided to be an : fucking ass tonight, and we got in a huge fight (don’t worry, he’d never, : ever hit me, I’d kill him, and he knows it). After spending 2 hours : screaming, yelling, cussing, slamming doors, and breaking 2 plates that were : in the sink (my new ones, the dick), the fight’s over. Why is it over? Did : we make up? No, of course not! He’s gone to sleep, like everything’s : hunky-dory! Well, it’s NOT! I’m sad, I’m crying, and I’m still fucking : pissed, and he’s snoozing away. How the FUCK can men DO that?! (no offense : to all you nice guys here on AS3) : : Anyway, part of it was that I’m spending too much time on the computer and : not enough time cleaning. Funny, he’s had the flu for 3 days, and has slept : all but about 5 hours of those days, but he knows what *I’ve* been doing?! : I waited on his whiny ass, hand and foot for all 3 of those days, without a : single complaint. I also didn’t see *him* cleaning a G*d damned thing! I : don’t have a clue what he’s being such a dickwipe about, the laundry is : done, the dishes are done, the bed was made, counters wiped, etc, etc, etc, : on into the sunset. Not to mention that the kids got to school & back, and : dinner was done on time. : : The only thing I could possibly see that he’d have to bitch about is I : haven’t vacuumed since Monday, and the kitchen floor needs mopping (it’s : raining & muddy, and bigdog had to actually PEE a couple of times today, and : actually WENT OUTSIDE to do it, and then CAME BACK IN afterwords).

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Hope you’ll be ok soon. *hates fights.

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Hi, you can’t be a bad mum, since it seems to me like you’re pretty concerned about your children, the household, … I hope DH (damned husband) gets of your back. Take care and don’t smoke! Oh, and be sure to come back…. Good rant, by the way. 9.9 from the Belgian judge. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I’m a mess. I’m having a rotten evening/night. DH decided to be an fucking ass tonight, and we got in a huge fight (don’t worry, he’d never, ever hit me, I’d kill him, and he knows it). After spending 2 hours screaming, yelling, cussing, slamming doors, and breaking 2 plates that were in the sink (my new ones, the dick), the fight’s over. Why is it over? Did we make up? No, of course not! He’s gone to sleep, like everything’s hunky-dory! Well, it’s NOT! I’m sad, I’m crying, and I’m still fucking pissed, and he’s snoozing away. How the FUCK can men DO that?! (no offense to all you nice guys here on AS3) Anyway, part of it was that I’m spending too much time on the computer and not enough time cleaning. Funny, he’s had the flu for 3 days, and has slept all but about 5 hours of those days, but he knows what *I’ve* been doing?! I waited on his whiny ass, hand and foot for all 3 of those days, without a single complaint. I also didn’t see *him* cleaning a G*d damned thing! I don’t have a clue what he’s being such a dickwipe about, the laundry is done, the dishes are done, the bed was made, counters wiped, etc, etc, etc, on into the sunset. Not to mention that the kids got to school & back, and dinner was done on time. The only thing I could possibly see that he’d have to bitch about is I haven’t vacuumed since Monday, and the kitchen floor needs mopping (it’s raining & muddy, and bigdog had to actually PEE a couple of times today, and actually WENT OUTSIDE to do it, and then CAME BACK IN afterwords).

– Meterless Mike

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{{{Shel}}} Goodness! That was just…one of the best rants I’ve ever read. Here’s to hubby getting his act together! JulieB.

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Hi all, I’m a mess. I’m having a rotten evening/night. DH decided to be an fucking ass tonight, and we got in a huge fight (don’t worry, he’d never, ever hit me, I’d kill him, and he knows it). After spending 2 hours screaming, yelling, cussing, slamming doors, and breaking 2 plates that were in the sink (my new ones, the dick), the fight’s over. Why is it over? Did we make up? No, of course not! He’s gone to sleep, like everything’s hunky-dory! Well, it’s NOT! I’m sad, I’m crying, and I’m still fucking pissed, and he’s snoozing away. How the FUCK can men DO that?! (no offense to all you nice guys here on AS3) Anyway, part of it was that I’m spending too much time on the computer and not enough time cleaning. Funny, he’s had the flu for 3 days, and has slept all but about 5 hours of those days, but he knows what *I’ve* been doing?! I waited on his whiny ass, hand and foot for all 3 of those days, without a single complaint. I also didn’t see *him* cleaning a G*d damned thing! I don’t have a clue what he’s being such a dickwipe about, the laundry is done, the dishes are done, the bed was made, counters wiped, etc, etc, etc, on into the sunset. Not to mention that the kids got to school & back, and dinner was done on time. The only thing I could possibly see that he’d have to bitch about is I haven’t vacuumed since Monday, and the kitchen floor needs mopping (it’s raining & muddy, and bigdog had to actually PEE a couple of times today, and actually WENT OUTSIDE to do it, and then CAME BACK IN afterwords).

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{{{Shel}}} Goodness! That was just…one of the best rants I’ve ever read. Here’s to hubby getting his act together! JulieB.

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Hope you’ll be ok soon. *hates fights.

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– Meterless Mike

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No apology needed *10* steveb

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couple of times

BBBBBBAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDD …buttface ….eat off of the fucking floor…

(Jef. backs away v-e-r-y …..s-l-o-w-l-y and tiptoes from the room, trying not to be noticed…)

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LMAO We know somewhere deep inside Jef. that not all men are BAD BAD people. LOL Kim

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ROFL! Nice snipping! I hereby upgrade Shel’s score from a 10.0 to a 15.0! Paula

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A *Perfect* Ten! Shel, you are a wonderful Mother, Wife, animal slave (Im a bunny slave)… Dont let anyone convince you otherwise! (understandingly) Julia

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Nut Brown Ale or Stout??

admin — Wed, 27 Nov 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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"BROWN STOUT"

I have been getting info from various sources for my second batch of Nut Brown Ale. I printed my recipe out last night, and the wife and I started to brew. (beer that is) I messed up entering the recipe in (I was working on an imperial stout) She messed up measuring some of the grain. Read the scale wrong, or I told her wrong… whatever.. it happened and it is sitting in the carboy now. Here is the recipe.

e’s%20Black%20Nut%20Ale.xml"

Black%20Nut%20Ale.xml – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyway.. since it now has: Malts: Barley Black Roasted .5 lb Black Patent .5 lb Breiss Amber LME 7 lb Brown Sugar .5 lb Chocolate .5 lb Is it a Brown Ale or Stout??? Just curious

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Looks pretty "stouty" to me. It’s going to be plenty roasty in flavor and dark in color…

e’s%20Black%20Nut%20Ale.xml"

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I wonder if I'm the most absurdly desperate person in this group

admin — Mon, 28 Oct 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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On Tue 29 Oct 2002 10:31:50a, Lisa knelt before Her Imperial Highness and in a most grave and reverent tone said: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "meg" schrieb im Newsbeitrag > news:Xns92B65BC2F8B19megmerritthotmailcom@130.133.1.4… >> On Tue 29 Oct 2002 06:06:00a, Lisa knelt before Her Imperial Highness >> and in a most grave and reverent tone said: >> > "Wry Bread" schrieb im Newsbeitrag >> > news:ursjme90r4bbf6@corp.supernews.com… >> >> William Parker wrote: >> >> > Is this pretty sad or what?:) Despite the fact that I have no >> >> > standards >> >> at >> >> > all, almost, I’m pretty confident that my odds of getting into a >> >> > relationship in the next year or so are less than 50%. >> >> My only standard is that they have to like me. >> >> Haven’t found one yet. >> > HA. >> > You said there was a woman flirting with you. >> > I remember it. >> > Now which is it? >> > They don’t like you >> > -or- >> > you want to reject people so you don’t have anyone so you can >> > whine. -and- >> > Take my advice and grow a goatee. :P >> > Everyone? Can I have your attention please? >> > Wry is a pretty good looking fellow who’d look immeasurably better >> > (read that: sexy) if he grew a little chin hair. >> > Help me convince him of this please? >> > He’s addicted to baldness and its ruining his social life. >> Yes, a goatee is absolutely in order. And jpegs. > Beware the dirty look. > It’s a keeler. >> Hello, my name is meg, and I am a beardaholic. > He stoutly refuses. > I believe someone should agree to go in and take all razors from his > home. Razors are dangerous. > Ditto electric shavers. > He could seriously injure himself.

Well no.. one must keep it neatly trimmed. Grizzly Adams did not look especially kissable. — "Nunc scio quit sit amor." ~*~

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wlparker-dont-s…@sympatico.ca (William Parker) wrote: > > Jees, no wonder Maas doesn’t post much anymore. His slot’s taken. > Oh come on! Comparing me to Maas is as silly as comparing bringing out the > Hellmann’s with the tangy zip of Miracle Whip.

You seem to be somewhat of an expert on mayonnaise…

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"Wry Bread" schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:ursjme90r4bbf6@corp.supernews.com… > William Parker wrote: > > Is this pretty sad or what?:) Despite the fact that I have no standards > at > > all, almost, I’m pretty confident that my odds of getting into a > > relationship in the next year or so are less than 50%. > My only standard is that they have to like me. > Haven’t found one yet.

HA. You said there was a woman flirting with you. I remember it. Now which is it? They don’t like you -or- you want to reject people so you don’t have anyone so you can whine. -and- Take my advice and grow a goatee. :P Everyone? Can I have your attention please? Wry is a pretty good looking fellow who’d look immeasurably better (read that: sexy) if he grew a little chin hair. Help me convince him of this please? He’s addicted to baldness and its ruining his social life.

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On Tue 29 Oct 2002 06:06:00a, Lisa knelt before Her Imperial Highness and in a most grave and reverent tone said: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Wry Bread" schrieb im Newsbeitrag > news:ursjme90r4bbf6@corp.supernews.com… >> William Parker wrote: >> > Is this pretty sad or what?:) Despite the fact that I have no >> > standards >> at >> > all, almost, I’m pretty confident that my odds of getting into a >> > relationship in the next year or so are less than 50%. >> My only standard is that they have to like me. >> Haven’t found one yet. > HA. > You said there was a woman flirting with you. > I remember it. > Now which is it? > They don’t like you > -or- > you want to reject people so you don’t have anyone so you can whine. > -and- > Take my advice and grow a goatee. :P > Everyone? Can I have your attention please? > Wry is a pretty good looking fellow who’d look immeasurably better > (read that: sexy) if he grew a little chin hair. > Help me convince him of this please? > He’s addicted to baldness and its ruining his social life.

Yes, a goatee is absolutely in order. And jpegs. Hello, my name is meg, and I am a beardaholic. — "Nunc scio quit sit amor." ~*~

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"William Parker" schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:Xns92B5918C92F25wlparkersympaticoca@207.35.177.134… > Somehow, between the ages of 16 and 26, I have gone to being very picky in > my ideas of what I want in a woman, to where I am right now! Here’s how > absurdly desperate I am:

No flame, William, but I get the impression you’re extremely picky and hard to satisfy. Even for yourself. :-/ Maybe this contributed to the problem in the first place? Like having prerequisites on how things must be in order to be happy about them. Not talking about superficial stuff like looks or weight or anything like that. More like saying ‘Situation "A" must occur and must "B" before "C" can progress’. I remember the thread where you spoke of your previous relationship and how although this chick was really into you, you didn’t feel the way you thought you would/should. Although I recognize it’s not the ideal, I believe there are people who settle and learn to appreciate someone who’s less than their idea of the perfect partner. Said more bluntly, learn to love the one they’re with rather than face the alternative when prospects look bleak. I’ll bet it happens alot more than we think it does. As long as you don’t commit to a ltr (marriage) with such a person, what’s wrong with keeping them around to satisfy your need for contact and physical comfort? > I would go out on a date, and be willing to do some physical stuff, with any > premenopausal woman who showed some kind of sexual interest, I think. I > mean *any*, heh. I don’t know if I can imagine rejecting someone after one > date. The only reasons would be if they are clearly abusive towards me or > have severe emotional problems I can’t deal with. Or else they clearly > wanted a long term relationship and I didn’t think that could happen. The > alternative, of course, is nothing, so anything can’t really be that bad!

This is your nads talking. And at your age this is a very understandable way to feel. I mean, this is the time you’re supposed to be going forth and being fruitful, right? So your body is in high gear for that and isn’t getting any satisfaction. This doesn’t make you desperate. Makes you feel that way certainly, but doesn’t label you. I can imagine (boy can I imagine, remember the rant I posted about not getting any? it’s still like that for me)… I can imagine how hard this must be on you. > To further my absurd amount of desperation, I think that for any woman under > about 35 interested in me, reasonably intelligent to the point where I could > be interested in communicating with her, and pretty emotionally stable and > with some self respect, living anywhere in the US or Canada, I would be > willing to fly over for a visit within a couple of weeks, and if she still > liked me, I might very well be willing to move somewhere nearby within a > couple of months, just on the speculative chance that a relationship could > maybe happen. > Is this pretty sad or what?:)

No. It’s human. > Despite the fact that I have no standards at > all, almost, I’m pretty confident that my odds of getting into a > relationship in the next year or so are less than 50%.

I’m wondering how you calculate this.

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"meg" schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:Xns92B65BC2F8B19megmerritthotmailcom@130.133.1.4… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Tue 29 Oct 2002 06:06:00a, Lisa knelt before Her Imperial Highness > and in a most grave and reverent tone said: > > "Wry Bread" schrieb im Newsbeitrag > > news:ursjme90r4bbf6@corp.supernews.com… > >> William Parker wrote: > >> > Is this pretty sad or what?:) Despite the fact that I have no > >> > standards > >> at > >> > all, almost, I’m pretty confident that my odds of getting into a > >> > relationship in the next year or so are less than 50%. > >> My only standard is that they have to like me. > >> Haven’t found one yet. > > HA. > > You said there was a woman flirting with you. > > I remember it. > > Now which is it? > > They don’t like you > > -or- > > you want to reject people so you don’t have anyone so you can whine. > > -and- > > Take my advice and grow a goatee. :P > > Everyone? Can I have your attention please? > > Wry is a pretty good looking fellow who’d look immeasurably better > > (read that: sexy) if he grew a little chin hair. > > Help me convince him of this please? > > He’s addicted to baldness and its ruining his social life. > Yes, a goatee is absolutely in order. And jpegs.

Beware the dirty look. It’s a keeler. > Hello, my name is meg, and I am a beardaholic.

He stoutly refuses. I believe someone should agree to go in and take all razors from his home. Razors are dangerous. Ditto electric shavers. He could seriously injure himself.

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William Parker wrote: > Is this pretty sad or what?:) Despite the fact that I have no standards at > all, almost, I’m pretty confident that my odds of getting into a > relationship in the next year or so are less than 50%.

My only standard is that they have to like me. Haven’t found one yet.

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"Lisa" wrote in news:apld46$nce$05$1@news.t-online.com: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "William Parker" schrieb im > Newsbeitrag news:Xns92B5918C92F25wlparkersympaticoca@207.35.177.134… >> Somehow, between the ages of 16 and 26, I have gone to being very >> picky in my ideas of what I want in a woman, to where I am right now! >> Here’s how absurdly desperate I am: > No flame, William, but I get the impression you’re extremely picky and > hard to satisfy. Even for yourself. :-/ > Maybe this contributed to the problem in the first place? Like having > prerequisites on how things must be in order to be happy about them. > Not talking about superficial stuff like looks or weight or anything > like that. More like saying ‘Situation "A" must occur and must "B" > before "C" can progress’. > I remember the thread where you spoke of your previous relationship and > how although this chick was really into you, you didn’t feel the way > you thought you would/should.

Went out with someone for two years, felt at the time that I wouldn’t feel right marrying the first girl I ever went out with, and should experience something else. Whether or not that was a foolish decision, it’s past. (I’m still friends with her, but she has been going out with another guy for over a year.) She, in retrospect, thinks the decision to break up was a good one. Second girl, among other things, was talking about when was an appropriate time to propose after a week of dating, had a history of being suicidal (I was the first she dated in a year and a half since her fiance left her), and was starting to find little emotional ways to make me feel inadequate and bad about myself. If I’m being too picky getting away from that, then there’s not much hope for me, is there? I still talk to her too, and I do like her and think she’s quite smart, just that there’s no way I could have stuck with her in good conscience knowing that she only was interested in a relationship if it was heading for marriage (which she was/is). I am hard to satisfy, in terms of what I want out of myself. I am not someone who is content, but someone who is looking for things to work on and improve. I am anal about shit to extremes! This is who I am, and it gives me a lot of strengths. > Although I recognize it’s not the ideal, I believe there are people who > settle and learn to appreciate someone who’s less than their idea of > the perfect partner. Said more bluntly, learn to love the one they’re > with rather than face the alternative when prospects look bleak. I’ll > bet it happens alot more than we think it does. > As long as you don’t commit to a ltr (marriage) with such a person, > what’s wrong with keeping them around to satisfy your need for contact > and physical comfort?

Nothing whatsofreakingever:) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> I would go out on a date, and be willing to do some physical stuff, >> with any premenopausal woman who showed some kind of sexual interest, >> I think. I mean *any*, heh. I don’t know if I can imagine rejecting >> someone after one date. The only reasons would be if they are clearly >> abusive towards me or have severe emotional problems I can’t deal >> with. Or else they clearly wanted a long term relationship and I >> didn’t think that could happen. The alternative, of course, is >> nothing, so anything can’t really be that bad! > This is your nads talking. And at your age this is a very > understandable way to feel. I mean, this is the time you’re supposed > to be going forth and being fruitful, right? So your body is in high > gear for that and isn’t getting any satisfaction. This doesn’t make > you desperate. Makes you feel that way certainly, but doesn’t label > you. I can imagine (boy can I imagine, remember the rant I posted about > not getting any? it’s still like that for me)… I can imagine how > hard this must be on you.

Oh I survive, with the help of emotional exploration on the internet, heh. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> To further my absurd amount of desperation, I think that for any woman >> under about 35 interested in me, reasonably intelligent to the point >> where I could be interested in communicating with her, and pretty >> emotionally stable and with some self respect, living anywhere in the >> US or Canada, I would be willing to fly over for a visit within a >> couple of weeks, and if she still liked me, I might very well be >> willing to move somewhere nearby within a couple of months, just on >> the speculative chance that a relationship could maybe happen. >> Is this pretty sad or what?:) > No. > It’s human. >> Despite the fact that I have no standards at >> all, almost, I’m pretty confident that my odds of getting into a >> relationship in the next year or so are less than 50%. > I’m wondering how you calculate this.

Mostly obvservations of my past looking at how many reasonable opportunities come up, and what my rate of success with them has been. I was actively looking for a girlfriend for over a year before I got one, and it’s been a year and a half since then with no hits.

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Joel Crum wrote in news:Xns92B5EACCA87EDcrumjdhotmailcom@216.148.53.100: Interesting post! >> I wonder if I’m the most absurdly desperate person in this group > Let me tell you what I’d do if I was in your position: > * First I’d take a big long break. I couldn’t take work off > because > they’d never give me that much time off. But I would quit my; pool > league on Mondays, my work out class on Thursdays and Thursdays, my lan > gaming night Friday, my mountain biking Saturday, and I might not even > go to church Sunday. I wouldn’t run, lift weights, cook meals, write, > chat on the net, brew beer, call up family, or do any of the other > things I normally do. Instead I’d sleep. I’d get in a good 10 hours > every night, I might even take some sleeping pills to help me get more > sleep. I’d keep that up for a month or three – however long it took to > start waking up totally without my alarm clock.

Here’s some stuff I’ve done in the last three years. (I had a girlfriend for some of that time.) I quit my job, made about 150k US in the stock market, bought a car outright, and didn’t work for a year and a half. I had some ambitious plans to write a computer game, but was a complete failure at the self motivation part. I quit working out, and pretty much all other activities and hobbies for over a year. Got lots of sleep, lol! Spent about a month where the main focus of my life was playing Everquest. Same thing with Diablo II. Same thing with Age of Empires II. Spent many many hours, and about 300,000 words on IRC. Wrote an AI for a real time strategy game. Read some math books. Met a girl on the internet in California I really liked and flew to visit, but who ended up not being attracted to me. Completely got over all forms of caring about what other people think. Went from being too shy to post to this, lol! Went from about 200 pounds to about 155 at the lowest, about 162 right now. Went from where doing 10 reps on the bench press at 95 pounds would make me sore to right now where my powerlifting maxes are about 235 on the bench, and maybe about 275 squat, 300 deadlift. Picked up the clarinet for the first time in about seven years and played with a band for awhile. Got into singing and opera, got a teacher, and now people are calling me up offering my parts in more things than I have time for. I was very close to moving somewhere else far, and I would have in a heartbeat if I had something concrete to move towards, say a possible relationship. So that *was* my similar plan! The trouble with me, and I think this is probably one of the main things that distinguishes me from you, is that although we both have very good ideas of exactly what we would like in a woman ideally, I have figured out that the kind of person I want doesn’t want me. This, I suspect, doesn’t have much to do at all with superficial shit that I could change. It probably has a lot to do with the fact that I have traits very similar to those of Schizoid disorders and Asperger’s syndrome. > * Thus pimped I’d start hanging out at hangouts. I’d eat on > the > college campus whenever I could and if I saw a girl sitting alone or > even a group of girls I’d go right up and ask if there was a seat free. > I’d laugh I’d talk I’d joke, I’d blow it a lot but if it went well I’d > make sure I suggested that we should get together again some time! I’d > also start going to the coffee shops, I’d write there. You know I > think I’d get a laptop instead of the geeky palmtop I use, or maybe I’d > write with a pen and paper – who knows! Whatever looks coolest! When > I saw girls sitting alone there I’d talk to them as well. I’d ask them > out as well! I’d still fail a lot but screw it I’d learn to do it > better!!

Yeah, it would probably be a lot easier to talk myself into this stuff if I enjoyed being social, heh. I’ve become frighteningly comfortable and confident being the antisocial asshole who just doesn’t give a fuck. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> * I’d ask out pretty girls who seemed a little off-putting. > There > are girls out there that never get asked out because they intimidate > the #@$% out of guys and they’d be happy if more men asked them out. > * I *wouldn’t* tell people "oh I’m a contractor programming > A.I.’s > for the government" (which is what I actually do) I’d bloody well > pretend I don’t have any sort of job at all. The girls would figure I > sold drugs to get money for my pimpin cloths. > Premenopausal girls like men who sell drugs because…. . > * I -would- get that stupid contracting venture I’ve wanted to > start > off the ground. That would give me an excuse to print up a bunch of > fancy business cards, I’d give them to the girls. I might not get any > contracts but it sure would be a good way to give them my phone number! > * I’d take a dance class. And then I’d ask some of the other > people > in my class if they wanted to go clubbing with me! If they were female > I might try to cultivate a romance if they were male I’d watch their > style. One way or the other at the club I’d try to talk to groups of > girls who seemed to be having a good time. I think that’s the ticket > be friendly with a group of girls, then they won’t be threatened and > they will be feeling a little wild because they are out with friends. > Eventually I’d ask the whole group if *anyone* wanted to dance. I bet > now and then the single one of the lot would get pushed right into my > lap. I’d give her a card. > * I’d take boxing, and knife combat classes. I’d learn how to > kick > anyone’s ass! That would make me feel a little more sure of my self. > People would see that and respect me more.

I’m very sure of myself physically, I don’t know that I have much to gain from anything like this. I don’t have the ability to show this with my body though or "take up space". > The really great thing about this list is it’s no nutty marathon of > hitting on girls in the grocery store.

It includes a nutty marathon of bullshitting about who you are, what you do, and what you like, and hitting on girls in cafeterias and coffee shops though! I know I come across as impossibly dense and immune to all suggestions. > It’s a real live life that I > wouldn’t mind living. And I’ll bet you that if I did that I’d get > plenty of girlfriends. > You? Well I’m not you. But I challenge you to come up with a similar > list!

Tentative plan is: Get abs (possibly will be low enough in fat for that by about December-January). Make lots of money in the next couple of years. Train with a voice teacher who has trained professional singers before, and play a major opera role (could probably do that next year.) Clean my apartment, but not like you’re talking about lol! All that stuff is extremely easy compared to getting female attention. I was never able to overcome the heat of the moment enough to start talking to a woman, and I don’t really see this changing. When I am at my most optimistic and confident, the type of woman I would really like to have a relationship with doesn’t seem to find me attractive, so I have no expectations there. Having *some* woman like me would be fantastic though!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Subject: Re: I wonder if I’m the most absurdly desperate person in this group >From: wlparker-dont-s…@sympatico.ca (William Parker) >Date: 10/28/02 1:06 PM Mountain Standard Time >Message-id: >dudenephx1…@aol.com (DudeNEPhx1971) wrote in >news:20021028150021.09974.00001090@mb-bk.aol.com: >>>Subject: I wonder if I’m the most absurdly desperate person in this >>>group From: wlparker-dont-s…@sympatico.ca (William Parker) >>>Date: 10/28/02 12:14 PM Mountain Standard Time >>>Message-id: >>>Somehow, between the ages of 16 and 26, I have gone to being very picky >>>in my ideas of what I want in a woman, to where I am right now! Here’s >>>how absurdly desperate I am: >>>I would go out on a date, and be willing to do some physical stuff, >>>with any premenopausal woman who showed some kind of sexual interest, I >>>think. I mean *any*, heh. I don’t know if I can imagine rejecting >>>someone after one date. The only reasons would be if they are clearly >>>abusive towards me or have severe emotional problems I can’t deal with. >>> Or else they clearly wanted a long term relationship and I didn’t >>>think that could happen. The alternative, of course, is nothing, so >>>anything can’t really be that bad! >>>To further my absurd amount of desperation, I think that for any woman >>>under about 35 interested in me, reasonably intelligent to the point >>>where I could be interested in communicating with her, and pretty >>>emotionally stable and with some self respect, living anywhere in the >>>US or Canada, I would be willing to fly over for a visit within a >>>couple of weeks, and if she still liked me, I might very well be >>>willing to move somewhere nearby within a couple of months, just on the >>>speculative chance that a relationship could maybe happen. >>>Is this pretty sad or what?:) Despite the fact that I have no >>>standards at all, almost, I’m pretty confident that my odds of getting >>>into a relationship in the next year or so are less than 50%. >> This rant came sooner than I thought, after that long "William’s >> celibacy" >> thread. >It’s not that much of a rant, really, just more an exploration of how I >feel. I’m still standing by the celibacy thing as well, in that it’s very >possibly the way things will end up for me, and that I really don’t need >women, and have accepted that this is livable, if not desireable! It’s just >that if any woman came along, she could spoil the whole thing quite easily.

Toronto has too many coffee shops and I saw lot of chicks there. Maybe thats one good place to try. Since we dont have a direct approach, maybe spot their car parked outside, remove air from the tire, later help them out, offer a "ride"…:D

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -wlparker-dont-s…@sympatico.ca (William Parker) wrote in message … > Somehow, between the ages of 16 and 26, I have gone to being very picky in > my ideas of what I want in a woman, to where I am right now! Here’s how > absurdly desperate I am: > I would go out on a date, and be willing to do some physical stuff, with any > premenopausal woman who showed some kind of sexual interest, I think. I > mean *any*, heh. I don’t know if I can imagine rejecting someone after one > date. The only reasons would be if they are clearly abusive towards me or > have severe emotional problems I can’t deal with. Or else they clearly > wanted a long term relationship and I didn’t think that could happen. The > alternative, of course, is nothing, so anything can’t really be that bad! > To further my absurd amount of desperation, I think that for any woman under > about 35 interested in me, reasonably intelligent to the point where I could > be interested in communicating with her, and pretty emotionally stable and > with some self respect, living anywhere in the US or Canada, I would be > willing to fly over for a visit within a couple of weeks, and if she still > liked me, I might very well be willing to move somewhere nearby within a > couple of months, just on the speculative chance that a relationship could > maybe happen. > Is this pretty sad or what?:) Despite the fact that I have no standards at > all, almost, I’m pretty confident that my odds of getting into a > relationship in the next year or so are less than 50%.

Jees, no wonder Maas doesn’t post much anymore. His slot’s taken.

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Doomed_forthesakeofmomen…@hotmail.com (The Babaloughesian) wrote in news:ada1932d.0210281856.5507a6bd@posting.google.com: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> wlparker-dont-s…@sympatico.ca (William Parker) wrote in message > … >> Somehow, between the ages of 16 and 26, I have gone to being very >> picky in my ideas of what I want in a woman, to where I am right now! >> Here’s how absurdly desperate I am: >> I would go out on a date, and be willing to do some physical stuff, >> with any premenopausal woman who showed some kind of sexual interest, >> I think. I mean *any*, heh. I don’t know if I can imagine rejecting >> someone after one date. The only reasons would be if they are clearly >> abusive towards me or have severe emotional problems I can’t deal >> with. Or else they clearly wanted a long term relationship and I >> didn’t think that could happen. The alternative, of course, is >> nothing, so anything can’t really be that bad! >> To further my absurd amount of desperation, I think that for any woman >> under about 35 interested in me, reasonably intelligent to the point >> where I could be interested in communicating with her, and pretty >> emotionally stable and with some self respect, living anywhere in the >> US or Canada, I would be willing to fly over for a visit within a >> couple of weeks, and if she still liked me, I might very well be >> willing to move somewhere nearby within a couple of months, just on >> the speculative chance that a relationship could maybe happen. >> Is this pretty sad or what?:) Despite the fact that I have no >> standards at all, almost, I’m pretty confident that my odds of getting >> into a relationship in the next year or so are less than 50%. > Jees, no wonder Maas doesn’t post much anymore. His slot’s taken.

Oh come on! Comparing me to Maas is as silly as comparing bringing out the Hellmann’s with the tangy zip of Miracle Whip.

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"Virgo Cluster" wrote in message

news:dd95baf2.0210281818.3959e7f3@posting.google.com… > Do you really think this applies to a nontrivial percentage of > the guys here — being too picky when 16-26? I sure hope not, > because I pretty much had William’s standards (i.e. basically > none) throughout this period and I didn’t come close to getting > a date, and this includes these "going out with one or more girls > but it’s not really a date" type of things that I’ve been reading > a lot about in here. Note that I’m talking about going to a movie > or having dinner with a girl … kissing or anything beyond were > things I thought about, but only in a vague science-fictional way. > I know I sort of don’t count since I’m now married, but I think I > was a lot closer to someone like Wry Bread throughout my 20’s than > most of the guys here.

Let me tell you a story from when I was in high school. There was a guy I was pretty good friends with who was pretty shy and seemed like someone who should have been posting here. The two years or so we were hanging out, he never dated. He spent a lot of time obsessing about a few different girls that he really liked who wouldn’t give him the time of day. They were all the same type, hot in a traditional sense with lots of makeup and tight revealing clothing. During this time, he and I were spending lunch together daily, talked to each other constantly in the classes we shared, and even did things together outside of school from time to time. Had he ever bothered to ask me out, I would have gladly gone. But I was so beneath his radar that I don’t think he even noticed I was female. I bet if you’d asked him, he would have thought there weren’t any girls interested in him at all. The real problem though was that he was being picky. I think at least some of the people here are the same way. They only see the girls who are completely unattainable and don’t notice that there may be other choices out there.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -William Parker wrote: > Somehow, between the ages of 16 and 26, I have gone to being very picky in > my ideas of what I want in a woman, to where I am right now! Here’s how > absurdly desperate I am: > I would go out on a date, and be willing to do some physical stuff, with any > premenopausal woman who showed some kind of sexual interest, I think. I > mean *any*, heh. I don’t know if I can imagine rejecting someone after one > date. The only reasons would be if they are clearly abusive towards me or > have severe emotional problems I can’t deal with. Or else they clearly > wanted a long term relationship and I didn’t think that could happen. The > alternative, of course, is nothing, so anything can’t really be that bad! > To further my absurd amount of desperation, I think that for any woman under > about 35 interested in me, reasonably intelligent to the point where I could > be interested in communicating with her, and pretty emotionally stable and > with some self respect, living anywhere in the US or Canada, I would be > willing to fly over for a visit within a couple of weeks, and if she still > liked me, I might very well be willing to move somewhere nearby within a > couple of months, just on the speculative chance that a relationship could > maybe happen. > Is this pretty sad or what?:) Despite the fact that I have no standards at > all, almost, I’m pretty confident that my odds of getting into a > relationship in the next year or so are less than 50%.

I think being a little picky might improve your odds. If a female feels you have no standards at all, she would be less likely to like you. If she feels you have high standards, and you communicate to her that she exceeds them she would be very pleased. -M

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wlparker-dont-s…@sympatico.ca (William Parker) wrote in news:Xns92B5918C92F25wlparkersympaticoca@207.35.177.134: > I wonder if I’m the most absurdly desperate person in this group

Let me tell you what I’d do if I was in your position: * First I’d take a big long break. I couldn’t take work off because they’d never give me that much time off. But I would quit my; pool league on Mondays, my work out class on Thursdays and Thursdays, my lan gaming night Friday, my mountain biking Saturday, and I might not even go to church Sunday. I wouldn’t run, lift weights, cook meals, write, chat on the net, brew beer, call up family, or do any of the other things I normally do. Instead I’d sleep. I’d get in a good 10 hours every night, I might even take some sleeping pills to help me get more sleep. I’d keep that up for a month or three – however long it took to start waking up totally without my alarm clock. * Next I’d get some things in order, my finances for one. They are close but not there yet I still need to invest nearly *cough*,000 dollars. I’d clean my house. And when I say that I mean deep clean, I’d be like ponds medicated pads anything I haven’t used in the past three months would go bye bye. * Next I’d sell^H^H^H^H, throw out^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H, burn^H^H^H^H, soak in trinitrotoluene float into the sky on a hydrogen balloon and shoot with a rocket all my cloths. I’d get new ones. GOOD new ones! I’d have the pants tailors and the shirts altered (it only costs about 10 bucks per garment), I’d have casual, good looking casual, dressy casual, dressy, and formal. I’d pick a level for were I was going and I’d change cloths ten times a day if need be. You know why I’d do that? Because I don’t wear cloths for *me* anyway I wear them for other people, so that they won’t have to see my naked butt! Might as well ones other people like. Next I’d get contacts, scratch that, I’d have my eyes surgically corrected! I’ve been meaning to for a long time anyway. And I’d start dieing my beard to make it look thicker. Hell I’d put Rogaine on it to make it BE thicker. * Thus pimped I’d start hanging out at hangouts. I’d eat on the college campus whenever I could and if I saw a girl sitting alone or even a group of girls I’d go right up and ask if there was a seat free. I’d laugh I’d talk I’d joke, I’d blow it a lot but if it went well I’d make sure I suggested that we should get together again some time! I’d also start going to the coffee shops, I’d write there. You know I think I’d get a laptop instead of the geeky palmtop I use, or maybe I’d write with a pen and paper – who knows! Whatever looks coolest! When I saw girls sitting alone there I’d talk to them as well. I’d ask them out as well! I’d still fail a lot but screw it I’d learn to do it better!! * I’d ask out pretty girls who seemed a little off-putting. There are girls out there that never get asked out because they intimidate the #@$% out of guys and they’d be happy if more men asked them out. * I *wouldn’t* tell people "oh I’m a contractor programming A.I.’s for the government" (which is what I actually do) I’d bloody well pretend I don’t have any sort of job at all. The girls would figure I sold drugs to get money for my pimpin cloths. Premenopausal girls like men who sell drugs because…. . * I -would- get that stupid contracting venture I’ve wanted to start off the ground. That would give me an excuse to print up a bunch of fancy business cards, I’d give them to the girls. I might not get any contracts but it sure would be a good way to give them my phone number! * I’d take a dance class. And then I’d ask some of the other people in my class if they wanted to go clubbing with me! If they were female I might try to cultivate a romance if they were male I’d watch their style. One way or the other at the club I’d try to talk to groups of girls who seemed to be having a good time. I think that’s the ticket be friendly with a group of girls, then they won’t be threatened and they will be feeling a little wild because they are out with friends. Eventually I’d ask the whole group if *anyone* wanted to dance. I bet now and then the single one of the lot would get pushed right into my lap. I’d give her a card. * I’d take boxing, and knife combat classes. I’d learn how to kick anyone’s ass! That would make me feel a little more sure of my self. People would see that and respect me more. The really great thing about this list is it’s no nutty marathon of hitting on girls in the grocery store. It’s a real live life that I wouldn’t mind living. And I’ll bet you that if I did that I’d get plenty of girlfriends. You? Well I’m not you. But I challenge you to come up with a similar list! – Joel C.

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wlparker-dont-s…@sympatico.ca (William Parker) wrote in message … > "Hugo Drax" wrote in > news:apk3gu$287pp$1@ID-155262.news.dfncis.de: > > thats what happens when your TFP during 16-26 (TFP – too fucking picky) > > 16-26 is the age men should sexually experiment with women etc.. not > > look for the perfect wife etc.. somehow it will happen along the line > > during the "experiments" > Something like that. I think the emotional state I was in in high school > was something too fucked up to do any dating at all. For instance, it would > have been way too stressful to face my friends and my parents and have them > be all surprised that I was going so out of character by going out with a > women, or something.

That sounds familiar. For me, *I* thought that being with girls was a huge part of my character. I was worried that other people would make comments about it being so unlikely for me to date, or telling me that she’s too good for me, or saying Who did I think I was to ask *her* out? KC

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"Hugo Drax" wrote in message

… > thats what happens when your TFP during 16-26 (TFP – too fucking > picky) 16-26 is the age men should sexually experiment with > women etc.. not look for the perfect wife etc.. somehow it > will happen along the line during the "experiments"

Since William stepped up to the ranting plate, I suppose it’s time for me to do a little of my own . . . Do you really think this applies to a nontrivial percentage of the guys here — being too picky when 16-26? I sure hope not, because I pretty much had William’s standards (i.e. basically none) throughout this period and I didn’t come close to getting a date, and this includes these "going out with one or more girls but it’s not really a date" type of things that I’ve been reading a lot about in here. Note that I’m talking about going to a movie or having dinner with a girl … kissing or anything beyond were things I thought about, but only in a vague science-fictional way. I know I sort of don’t count since I’m now married, but I think I was a lot closer to someone like Wry Bread throughout my 20’s than most of the guys here. Virgo Cluster

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I would trade anything for a girlfriend I could love. "William Parker" wrote in message

news:Xns92B5918C92F25wlparkersympaticoca@207.35.177.134… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Somehow, between the ages of 16 and 26, I have gone to being very picky in > my ideas of what I want in a woman, to where I am right now! Here’s how > absurdly desperate I am: > I would go out on a date, and be willing to do some physical stuff, with any > premenopausal woman who showed some kind of sexual interest, I think. I > mean *any*, heh. I don’t know if I can imagine rejecting someone after one > date. The only reasons would be if they are clearly abusive towards me or > have severe emotional problems I can’t deal with. Or else they clearly > wanted a long term relationship and I didn’t think that could happen. The > alternative, of course, is nothing, so anything can’t really be that bad! > To further my absurd amount of desperation, I think that for any woman under > about 35 interested in me, reasonably intelligent to the point where I could > be interested in communicating with her, and pretty emotionally stable and > with some self respect, living anywhere in the US or Canada, I would be > willing to fly over for a visit within a couple of weeks, and if she still > liked me, I might very well be willing to move somewhere nearby within a > couple of months, just on the speculative chance that a relationship could > maybe happen. > Is this pretty sad or what?:) Despite the fact that I have no standards at > all, almost, I’m pretty confident that my odds of getting into a > relationship in the next year or so are less than 50%.

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"Mr. Teatime" wrote in message

news:_Fgv9.74$HA5.3784879@news-text.cableinet.net… > I can’t relate. A woman has never made herself available to me, for a date > or anything near that. I think I would be bowled over with surprise and > gratefulness if ANYONE wanted to be with me for a night, especially if > they’re female as this carries extra connotations.

…and when I say weight, I mean really overweight, not the ‘oh god Im two pounds heavier’ bullshit that the ahem, ‘modern woman’ (re: idiot) talks about.

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dudenephx1…@aol.com (DudeNEPhx1971) wrote in news:20021028150021.09974.00001090@mb-bk.aol.com: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Subject: I wonder if I’m the most absurdly desperate person in this >>group From: wlparker-dont-s…@sympatico.ca (William Parker) >>Date: 10/28/02 12:14 PM Mountain Standard Time >>Message-id: >>Somehow, between the ages of 16 and 26, I have gone to being very picky >>in my ideas of what I want in a woman, to where I am right now! Here’s >>how absurdly desperate I am: >>I would go out on a date, and be willing to do some physical stuff, >>with any premenopausal woman who showed some kind of sexual interest, I >>think. I mean *any*, heh. I don’t know if I can imagine rejecting >>someone after one date. The only reasons would be if they are clearly >>abusive towards me or have severe emotional problems I can’t deal with. >> Or else they clearly wanted a long term relationship and I didn’t >>think that could happen. The alternative, of course, is nothing, so >>anything can’t really be that bad! >>To further my absurd amount of desperation, I think that for any woman >>under about 35 interested in me, reasonably intelligent to the point >>where I could be interested in communicating with her, and pretty >>emotionally stable and with some self respect, living anywhere in the >>US or Canada, I would be willing to fly over for a visit within a >>couple of weeks, and if she still liked me, I might very well be >>willing to move somewhere nearby within a couple of months, just on the >>speculative chance that a relationship could maybe happen. >>Is this pretty sad or what?:) Despite the fact that I have no >>standards at all, almost, I’m pretty confident that my odds of getting >>into a relationship in the next year or so are less than 50%. > This rant came sooner than I thought, after that long "William’s > celibacy" > thread.

It’s not that much of a rant, really, just more an exploration of how I feel. I’m still standing by the celibacy thing as well, in that it’s very possibly the way things will end up for me, and that I really don’t need women, and have accepted that this is livable, if not desireable! It’s just that if any woman came along, she could spoil the whole thing quite easily.

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Somehow, between the ages of 16 and 26, I have gone to being very picky in my ideas of what I want in a woman, to where I am right now! Here’s how absurdly desperate I am: I would go out on a date, and be willing to do some physical stuff, with any premenopausal woman who showed some kind of sexual interest, I think. I mean *any*, heh. I don’t know if I can imagine rejecting someone after one date. The only reasons would be if they are clearly abusive towards me or have severe emotional problems I can’t deal with. Or else they clearly wanted a long term relationship and I didn’t think that could happen. The alternative, of course, is nothing, so anything can’t really be that bad! To further my absurd amount of desperation, I think that for any woman under about 35 interested in me, reasonably intelligent to the point where I could be interested in communicating with her, and pretty emotionally stable and with some self respect, living anywhere in the US or Canada, I would be willing to fly over for a visit within a couple of weeks, and if she still liked me, I might very well be willing to move somewhere nearby within a couple of months, just on the speculative chance that a relationship could maybe happen. Is this pretty sad or what?:) Despite the fact that I have no standards at all, almost, I’m pretty confident that my odds of getting into a relationship in the next year or so are less than 50%.

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thats what happens when your TFP during 16-26 (TFP – too fucking picky) 16-26 is the age men should sexually experiment with women etc.. not look for the perfect wife etc.. somehow it will happen along the line during the "experiments" "William Parker" wrote in message

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"Hugo Drax" wrote in news:apk3gu$287pp$1@ID-155262.news.dfncis.de: > thats what happens when your TFP during 16-26 (TFP – too fucking picky) > 16-26 is the age men should sexually experiment with women etc.. not > look for the perfect wife etc.. somehow it will happen along the line > during the "experiments"

Something like that. I think the emotional state I was in in high school was something too fucked up to do any dating at all. For instance, it would have been way too stressful to face my friends and my parents and have them be all surprised that I was going so out of character by going out with a women, or something. It never really occured to me at all that women could even be a part of my world, which probably sounds strange. In university, I had at least one or two chances to date someone, but partly from being too picky, and partly from having really deep mechanisms at work that prevented me, I didn’t. The next woman, if there is one, who shows some fairly clear signs of sexual interest in me, though, I am going to ask out, and I’m almost certainly not going to be the one to reject, unless there is a really clear reason why dating and a relationship is entirely impossible.

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I can’t relate. A woman has never made herself available to me, for a date or anything near that. I think I would be bowled over with surprise and gratefulness if ANYONE wanted to be with me for a night, especially if they’re female as this carries extra connotations. "William Parker" wrote in message

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Subject: I wonder if I’m the most absurdly desperate person in this group >From: wlparker-dont-s…@sympatico.ca (William Parker) >Date: 10/28/02 12:14 PM Mountain Standard Time >Message-id: >Somehow, between the ages of 16 and 26, I have gone to being very picky in >my ideas of what I want in a woman, to where I am right now! Here’s how >absurdly desperate I am: >I would go out on a date, and be willing to do some physical stuff, with any >premenopausal woman who showed some kind of sexual interest, I think. I >mean *any*, heh. I don’t know if I can imagine rejecting someone after one >date. The only reasons would be if they are clearly abusive towards me or >have severe emotional problems I can’t deal with. Or else they clearly >wanted a long term relationship and I didn’t think that could happen. The >alternative, of course, is nothing, so anything can’t really be that bad! >To further my absurd amount of desperation, I think that for any woman under >about 35 interested in me, reasonably intelligent to the point where I could >be interested in communicating with her, and pretty emotionally stable and >with some self respect, living anywhere in the US or Canada, I would be >willing to fly over for a visit within a couple of weeks, and if she still >liked me, I might very well be willing to move somewhere nearby within a >couple of months, just on the speculative chance that a relationship could >maybe happen. >Is this pretty sad or what?:) Despite the fact that I have no standards at >all, almost, I’m pretty confident that my odds of getting into a >relationship in the next year or so are less than 50%.

This rant came sooner than I thought, after that long "William’s celibacy" thread.

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mini kegs… what's the concensus?

admin — Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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I’ve got 7 minis (it was 8, one dented due to too much pressure) and two taps. The first tap I got was a basic tap the LHBS had. It worked decent, but after I got a Philtap I only use the old one when I tap two kegs at once. Also, grab some of Phil’s Relieph Bungs, if I had a full set of those I’d still have 8 minikegs. I got a small cooler pack that perfectly fits two minikegs & a good amount of ice. That’s trouble. I’d really like to move up to corny kegs, but like the original poster, it just won’t fit right now. I’m considering hunting around for 2.5 gallon cornies. But I really like the portability of the minikegs. btw- has anyone tried filling a minikeg from a corny? Can you use a counter-pressure filler from a corny to a mini? -Kyle replace pi w/ patentinvestor when replying – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I cast my vote in favour of the minis. I have been getting great use from mine. love the philtap. also have a hand pump for bringing mini kegs to picnics, camping trips etc.. but a real keg fridge is in the future just for more volume and not having to buy little co2 cylinders John

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But I digress. I use the Phil Tap with the mini CO2 cartridges, it works real nice. Kegs clean up pretty easily also. The only bad part I’ve found so far is removing the bungs, despite keg lube. Delta

I started using mini-kegs aeons ago…none of the LHBSs around me at the time had replacement bungs, so removing them regularly wasn’t going to work. This was before the web was around, so I couldn’t order online. In fact, for a long time, I had stopped home brewing, and just bought kegged beer. The minikeg (along with 2 liter bottles) was a convenient way to carry beer to parties, picnics, fishing trips, etc. My solution was to cut a hole in the head, and mount a fitting that gave me access to the inside without having to remove the bung. A few years ago I created a web page that illustrated this point, and I’ve moved it around a few times. These days it’s been moved (where hopefully it will stay for some time) to: http://rdcpro.freezope.org/brewing/minikeg I’ve posted this a few months ago, but under a different URL. Since I’m no longer employed there, it’s just a matter of time before that old address goes away. Anyway, this approach allows force carbonation, and I found that if I filled a 5 liter keg with 4 liters of beer, I could pressurize it using the carbonator cap and pour virtually the whole thing without using sparklets. Any that didn’t come out could be poured out the new fitting. The other thing I like about this approach is that it’s no longer necessary to remove the bung each time. Regards, Mike Sharp

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I was going to buy a mini-keg and then saw that they are made out of tin or aluminum and coated with plastic. I didn’t like the idea of that so I thought maybe I should buy the Tap-a-draft system. It looked great but decided against it because there is no way to turn off the c02 or control it on that system. I then bought a 3 gallon corny and have loved it. It fits great in the fridge and it uses 12 gram co2 cartridges. I figure at a later time when I can afford a seperate frige and a 5 pound co2 tank this would be a better setup. http://www.williamsbrewing.com/AB1605000/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Product_… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, I went to Google, did a search on this group for mini-kegs. Some messages say they are awful, some say they are great. I’m this < far from ordering a set w/manual pump (if I start one, it’s going to be emptied.) What is the group concensus on these setups? I don’t have the fridge space for a Cornelius setup and none of the other options seem any better (i.e. party pig, beer sphere, etc.) Help a poor (relatively) newbie out. Ed

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I use corny kegs, but my LHBS really likes the party pigs. I’m thinking of getting one, just to be able to give my mom half of a batch, without having to give her a bunch of bottles.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, I went to Google, did a search on this group for mini-kegs. Some messages say they are awful, some say they are great. I’m this < far from ordering a set w/manual pump (if I start one, it’s going to be emptied.) What is the group concensus on these setups? I don’t have the fridge space for a Cornelius setup and none of the other options seem any better (i.e. party pig, beer sphere, etc.) Help a poor (relatively) newbie out. Ed

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Hey, to everyone who responded… thanks. Now it is a matter of which. I’ll have to decide that one on my own. The link supplied to the Williams 3 gal. setup led me to this: http://www.williamsbrewing.com/AB1605000/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Product_… Seems like a near perfect setup… both air and c02. The whold discussion does have me looking into small refrigerators that would hold 5 gal. Cornelius kegs though… Thanks again Ed – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, I went to Google, did a search on this group for mini-kegs. Some messages say they are awful, some say they are great. I’m this < far from ordering a set w/manual pump (if I start one, it’s going to be emptied.) What is the group concensus on these setups? I don’t have the fridge space for a Cornelius setup and none of the other options seem any better (i.e. party pig, beer sphere, etc.) Help a poor (relatively) newbie out. Ed

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That should be a pretty good setup. However, I’d really spring for a Philtap if you can. I’ve got both kinds of taps (did you see my post?); the Philtap gets used, the other one comes second. Also get Phil’s Relief Valves if you can, it’s a bit more but it’ll save you in the long run. sheesh, Dan ought to give kick backs for promoting his stuff. -Kyle replace pi w/ patentinvestor when replying – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey, to everyone who responded… thanks. Now it is a matter of which. I’ll have to decide that one on my own. The link supplied to the Williams 3 gal. setup led me to this: http://www.williamsbrewing.com/AB1605000/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Product_… Seems like a near perfect setup… both air and c02. The whold discussion does have me looking into small refrigerators that would hold 5 gal. Cornelius kegs though… Thanks again Ed

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The set up from Dan’s is great! http://www.listermann.com/Store/Details.asp?ID=573 We’ve moved on to the cornies but my son took over the minis and loves them. Everytime he comes for a visit, he brings his empty kegs so we can fill them (for free of course). He uses the philtap and hasn’t had any problems yet… — Louise:o) http://pages.infinit.net/weez1959/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, I went to Google, did a search on this group for mini-kegs. Some messages say they are awful, some say they are great. I’m this < far from ordering a set w/manual pump (if I start one, it’s going to be emptied.) What is the group concensus on these setups? I don’t have the fridge space for a Cornelius setup and none of the other options seem any better (i.e. party pig, beer sphere, etc.) Help a poor (relatively) newbie out. Well, to be honest I’d always recommend cornies as the first choice for kegging, but you already said they won’t work. My second choice would definitely be mini-kegs though. I used them for years before I got a corny kegging system. I’m not sure what you mean by a "manual" pump, but you definitely want one that uses CO2, not air. If you use a pump that puts air into the keg to push out the beer, you’re going to have to drink the entire keg in a couple days. Otherwise it will go start to go bad. With a CO2 pump, mini-kegs will stay good for a long time. John. — *** John P. Kolesar *** *** Head Administrator, Monty Python’s Flying Talker ***

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If you use a pump that puts air into the keg to push out the beer, you’re going to have to drink the entire keg in a couple days.

Yes, sometimes we have to make sacrifices for our craft.

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I cast my vote in favour of the minis. I have been getting great use from mine. love the philtap. also have a hand pump for bringing mini kegs to picnics, camping trips etc.. but a real keg fridge is in the future just for more volume and not having to buy little co2 cylinders John If you use a pump that puts air into the keg to push out the beer, you’re going to have to drink the entire keg in a couple days.

Yes, sometimes we have to make sacrifices for our craft.

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Ok, I went to Google, did a search on this group for mini-kegs. Some messages say they are awful, some say they are great. I’m this < far from ordering a set w/manual pump (if I start one, it’s going to be emptied.) What is the group concensus on these setups? I don’t have the fridge space for a Cornelius setup and none of the other options seem any better (i.e. party pig, beer sphere, etc.) Help a poor (relatively) newbie out. Ed

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Ok, I went to Google, did a search on this group for mini-kegs. Some messages say they are awful, some say they are great.

of course… they are opinions.. ( B^) I’m this < far from ordering a set w/manual pump (if I start one, it’s going to be emptied.) What is the group concensus on these setups? I don’t have the fridge space for a Cornelius setup and none of the other options seem any better (i.e. party pig, beer sphere, etc.) Help a poor (relatively) newbie out.

I like my mini kegs (except right now, because they are all empty. I shut down the brewery and ran it dry while the home is on the market… put the brewery in storage to save space, and besides, I didn’t think the smell of a sulphur-belching airlock wafting thru the home would be a good selling point…unless the buyer happened to brew beer!) But I digress. I use the Phil Tap with the mini CO2 cartridges, it works real nice. Kegs clean up pretty easily also. The only bad part I’ve found so far is removing the bungs, despite keg lube. Delta

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I like my mini kegs. They work well, but I find them a little hard to clean and get dry inside. They’re nice and portable. I don’t have room for a full kegging system, which is a better alternative. Dan Listerman had an idea of cutting a hole in the top of a 3 liter soda bottle and using his Philtap (he makes them.) It sounded like a good idea, but I haven’t tried it yet. Bruce.

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Dan Listerman had an idea of cutting a hole in the top of a 3 liter soda bottle and using his Philtap (he makes them.) It sounded like a good idea, but I haven’t tried it yet.

You can do the same thing with one gallon juice jugs like the ones Ocean Spray sell. They take an amazing amount of pressure. I am doing some interesting things with them. — Dan Listermann Check out our E-tail site at www.listermann.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I like my mini kegs. They work well, but I find them a little hard to clean and get dry inside. They’re nice and portable. I don’t have room for a full kegging system, which is a better alternative. Bruce. Ok, I went to Google, did a search on this group for mini-kegs. Some messages say they are awful, some say they are great. I’m this < far from ordering a set w/manual pump (if I start one, it’s going to be emptied.) What is the group concensus on these setups? I don’t have the fridge space for a Cornelius setup and none of the other options seem any better (i.e. party pig, beer sphere, etc.) Help a poor (relatively) newbie out. Ed

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Well, to be honest I’d always recommend cornies as the first choice for kegging, but you already said they won’t work. My second choice would definitely be mini-kegs though. I used them for years before I got a corny kegging system. I’m not sure what you mean by a "manual" pump, but you definitely want one that uses CO2, not air. If you use a pump that puts air into the keg to push out the beer, you’re going to have to drink the entire keg in a couple days. Otherwise it will go start to go bad. With a CO2 pump, mini-kegs will stay good for a long time. John. — *** John P. Kolesar *** *** Head Administrator, Monty Python’s Flying Talker ***

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Today's stupid question of the day

admin — Thu, 22 Aug 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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Excellent !!! lol !!! Pork, the OTHER brew ingredient

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok here it is….. 3.) If Emeril Lagasse was to make a homebrew using his favorite ingredient pork fat, what would you call it? Wort-Hog

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You know, if you really brew with pork, I’d kind of like to hear about it. Wouldn’t want to replicate it, but it’d be interesting to read. I’d suggest fresh pork (the nitrates in bacon might inhibit fermentation), and even though some brewing books claim that no pathegens can live in beer, I’d still be inclined to kook, er cook it before brewing with it. None of the brewing books I’ve read say anything about tapeworms being harmed by the brewing process. Now, I suppose Emeril Lagasse would call his piggy pale ale "BAM!", though that might be the sound of the audiences’ collective stomach contents emptying on to the floor… Scott

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I would not like to meet the tapeworm that survives an hour to 90 minutes in the boil.

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I am waiting for my book to arrive in the meantime, this newsgroup is a great place to get a quick honest answer. And to all of those keeping track, I have posted as "Satan, the OTHER son of god" but had to change to "Pork the OTHER white meat" because a couple of the regulars were breaking my balls. As for the other aliases, Lucifer..ect., ect…that’s not my style. I like to keep things lightheaded and fun…no troll here. Pork, NOT Satan.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How astute of you to recognize a troll. This person has posted as Satan, Lucifer, man-dog, etc. and even the Smiths to many groups. He started here as Satan and changed to Pork. He asks enough legitimate questions that he either is building a working knowledge of brewing, or has done it before. Personally, I wish he would brew a beer, I think he would find it much more enjoyable than Emeril Lagasse adding pork to any dish…. Cheers, Mike

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Ok here it is….. 3.) If Emeril Lagasse was to make a homebrew using his favorite ingredient pork fat, what would you call it?

Wort-Hog

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Naw….dude, brew some pork….. It’s the OTHER white meat

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LOL !!! LIQUID SPAM !!! Now that’s good Pork, wishing he was liquid spam. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ok John, And….your answer to number three is ? "Slug Bait" "Pig Swill" "Liquid Spam" "A waste of barley/hops/yeast" Take your pick. John. — *** John P. Kolesar *** *** Head Administrator, Monty Python’s Flying Talker ***

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In an attempt to keep things on a personal note…. my childhood religion stipulates that I am unable to respond to anything unclean…… according to the Mosaic law… found in Leviticus in Christianity’s """Holy Bible""" pork is not just ‘…the OTHER white meat…’ but is not worthy of touch, let alone thinking about. OOPS…. I have responded to pork! EGADS!!!!!! I am doomed to an afterlife of heated disputes and arguments! Oh, my god…. the humanity!!!!!! Brew beer, not pork! {:-) — –DAsh obvious with attbi)

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ok John, And….your answer to number three is ?

"Slug Bait" "Pig Swill" "Liquid Spam" "A waste of barley/hops/yeast" Take your pick. John. — *** John P. Kolesar *** *** Head Administrator, Monty Python’s Flying Talker ***

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Ok here it is….. 1.) What is the best way to store packets of unopened dry yeast?

In the freezer 2.) What is the best way to store unopened bags of hops that are about 2 oz in size? Once they are opened you freeze them right?

In the fridge or freezer 3.) If Emeril Lagasse was to make a homebrew using his favorite ingredient pork fat, what would you call it?

Disgusting… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Pork, the OTHER white meat

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Ok here it is….. 1.) What is the best way to store packets of unopened dry yeast? 2.) What is the best way to store unopened bags of hops that are about 2 oz in size? Once they are opened you freeze them right? 3.) If Emeril Lagasse was to make a homebrew using his favorite ingredient pork fat, what would you call it? Pork, the OTHER white meat

1) freezer 2) freezer 3) hog swill Medford, NY swap net.optonline to reply via e-mail

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Ok here it is….. 1.) What is the best way to store packets of unopened dry yeast?

In the freezer. 2.) What is the best way to store unopened bags of hops that are about 2 oz in size? Once they are opened you freeze them right?

Nope, you store them frozen even before you open them. They’ll keep better that way. John. — *** John P. Kolesar *** *** Head Administrator, Monty Python’s Flying Talker ***

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1. Freezer 2. Fridge or Freezer 3. Troll Alert – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok here it is….. 1.) What is the best way to store packets of unopened dry yeast? 2.) What is the best way to store unopened bags of hops that are about 2 oz in size? Once they are opened you freeze them right? 3.) If Emeril Lagasse was to make a homebrew using his favorite ingredient pork fat, what would you call it? Pork, the OTHER white meat

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How astute of you to recognize a troll. This person has posted as Satan, Lucifer, man-dog, etc. and even the Smiths to many groups. Cheers, Tom

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 1. Freezer 2. Fridge or Freezer 3. Troll Alert

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How astute of you to recognize a troll. This person has posted as Satan, Lucifer, man-dog, etc. and even the Smiths to many groups.

He started here as Satan and changed to Pork. He asks enough legitimate questions that he either is building a working knowledge of brewing, or has done it before. Personally, I wish he would brew a beer, I think he would find it much more enjoyable than Emeril Lagasse adding pork to any dish…. Cheers, Mike

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ok John, And….your answer to number three is ? Pork, the OTHER white meat – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok here it is….. 1.) What is the best way to store packets of unopened dry yeast? In the freezer. 2.) What is the best way to store unopened bags of hops that are about 2 oz in size? Once they are opened you freeze them right? Nope, you store them frozen even before you open them. They’ll keep better that way. John. — *** John P. Kolesar *** *** Head Administrator, Monty Python’s Flying Talker ***

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garden hose to kitchen faucet?

admin — Sun, 28 Jul 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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Angela, although Home Depot and Canadian Tire are great, they only carry what is popular and sells fast. Lots of lumber like shiplap and other hardware items are not carried. Phone a few plumbing places in the yellow pages and tell them what you want. You will find it. I have old taps in this 50 year old shack and I have hoses that attach to the taps. Good Luck.

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I did this many years ago. You need a good hardware or plumbing supply to help you. Take the aerator off the faucet, and match that thread. This will give you the proper size. If I remember correctly, the fitting I ended up using was an adaptor originally used for small apartment washing machines which are used in conjunction with the kitchen sink. Good luck. Wacko!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i have a LOT of plants on the 19th floor balcony of my apartment. since i work at 7:00 am, i’m out watering every morning at 5:00. but last Christmas i broke my right arm and did severe tendon and ligament damage that took over 6 months to heal. i still have trouble using the arm and hauling water every day doesn’t help. if i only fill the watering can halfway, i’m going back and forth several times and takes me half an hour or more to get everything done. i was able to get a long coiling hose on sale yesterday that could cut down on my watering time, if only i could attach it to my kitchen faucet. i thought i had found the right size of coupling, but it’s still too big for the kitchen sink even though it does fit the 3/4" hose. has anyone tried this successfully? thank you. angela — http://webhome.idirect.com/~rouquinne/

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I see you’ve got it covered. I was going to suggest a store that sells camping supplies. They have something called "water thief" to hook a hose to an unthreaded spigot. Marilyn in Ohio

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thank you, everyone. i was *sure* Home Depot would have such an animal, but they didn’t. nor did the big Canadian chains – Canadian Tire, Home Hardware and Rona! i finally found one today… at the home-brewing store! thank you, tomas, for that suggestion. angela — http://webhome.idirect.com/~rouquinne/

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Any *good* hardware store will have this. Tell them you want it to have ‘fine’ aerator threads female and coarse washing machine or garden hose male threads on the other. **But** here is something to consider: Having done this a few times, I can tell you that your faucet needs to be high quality and in good condition. Make sure the threads on the faucet are very clean and not corroded or cracked, chipped and etc. If it is a cheap unit, they will wear with constant screwing and unscrewing. Also, try first to connect the hose and open the sprayer into the sink until all air is dispersed then shut it off and see if the faucet leaks around the knobs or where the spigot attaches to the unit as opposed to finding out it leaked while you were outside. Have a towel in your other hand when you try this, and *always* lay one over the entire piece, ends of towel hanging into the sink, so that, if it were to start leaking eventually, the water would run down into the sink instead of across the kitchen counter soaking this morning’s unopened mail or upward onto that new acoustic tile ceiling. Many kitchen sink valve stems were not designed for back pressure. If you are not worried about aesthetics, some places sell cheap plastic adapters that you can use to snap garden hoses on and off. These will enable you to fit the click-on to the above mentioned adapter so that you do not have to keep unscrewing and rescrewing the hose (it seems like no matter how hard you try to only unscrew the hose part of the fitting, the faucet end is what comes loose and results in the aforementioned constant beating up on the fine threads). Those fine threads are easily cross-threaded too. If you have a utility tub near the door somewhere, this faucet may be a better spot, but this set-up works fine if you are careful at first. ralph — post or lose an ‘n’ to reply

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has anyone tried this successfully? thank you. angela

I brew beer in the kitchen and found a faucet aerator adapter for my cooling coils. http://www.cornerhardware.com/hardware/iteminfo.html?action=iteminfo&…

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Waterbed Store. Guaranteed to be there. Bill C. :o)`

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There are several faucet adapters available at: http://www.landscapeusa.com/category.asp?MainCat=Watering&SubCat=Coup… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i have a LOT of plants on the 19th floor balcony of my apartment. since i work at 7:00 am, i’m out watering every morning at 5:00. but last Christmas i broke my right arm and did severe tendon and ligament damage that took over 6 months to heal. i still have trouble using the arm and hauling water every day doesn’t help. if i only fill the watering can halfway, i’m going back and forth several times and takes me half an hour or more to get everything done. i was able to get a long coiling hose on sale yesterday that could cut down on my watering time, if only i could attach it to my kitchen faucet. i thought i had found the right size of coupling, but it’s still too big for the kitchen sink even though it does fit the 3/4" hose. has anyone tried this successfully? thank you. angela

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i have a LOT of plants on the 19th floor balcony of my apartment. since i work at 7:00 am, i’m out watering every morning at 5:00. but last Christmas i broke my right arm and did severe tendon and ligament damage that took over 6 months to heal. i still have trouble using the arm and hauling water every day doesn’t help. if i only fill the watering can halfway, i’m going back and forth several times and takes me half an hour or more to get everything done. i was able to get a long coiling hose on sale yesterday that could cut down on my watering time, if only i could attach it to my kitchen faucet. i thought i had found the right size of coupling, but it’s still too big for the kitchen sink even though it does fit the 3/4" hose. has anyone tried this successfully? thank you. angela — http://webhome.idirect.com/~rouquinne/

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Brewing sculptures…

admin — Sun, 21 Jul 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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I need some good example of brewing sculptures I can ‘clone’. I have an idea in mu head, but I want to shop around and find the one right for me first.

Check out the sytems on these pages: http://www.brew-beer.com/breweries.htm http://www.barleys.nl/index.htm?homebreweries Have fun!

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I need some good example of brewing sculptures I can ‘clone’. I have an idea in mu head, but I want to shop around and find the one right for me first.

Take a look here: http://www.barleys.nl/index.htm?thuisbrouwerijen Will give you a start. Have Fun! Wayne Botanist Brewer Big Fun Brewing RIMS Site http://hometown.aol.com/bfbrewing/BigFunBrewing.htm Note: Spamguard used in email address…..

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http://users.ezwv.com/~wlewis/beer/Frame.html Walt I need some good example of brewing sculptures I can ‘clone’. I have an idea in mu head, but I want to shop around and find the one right for me first.

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I need some good example of brewing sculptures I can ‘clone’. I have an idea in mu head, but I want to shop around and find the one right for me first.

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GROWING HOPS IN CALEDON ONTARIO

admin — Wed, 17 Apr 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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Hello everyone! I am reading that you can grow hops in a cold place like Canada! My mom has a green thumb and I’m sure can find space on our land for hops to be grown. Can anyone give me a lead on where I can get the roots for this? thnx!!! Ross vignale

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http://www.richters.com/ , in Goodwood, has some. — Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP http://I.Am/DougSteele

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello everyone! I am reading that you can grow hops in a cold place like Canada! My mom has a green thumb and I’m sure can find space on our land for hops to be grown. Can anyone give me a lead on where I can get the roots for this? thnx!!! Ross vignale

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Found a great place! Cheap too! Unfortunatly Goodwood ontario is around THUNDER BAY!!!! Too far for me to drive! So I surfed the net and found a very good place. www.freshops.com I bought some rhizomes (roots), and expect the hops to be here by tomorrow! Thnx Mr Steele. btw I’m a VFP guy. Visual Fox Pro. Glad to see you like to program and brew beer like me too! Thnx for the tip. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://www.richters.com/ , in Goodwood, has some. — Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP http://I.Am/DougSteele Hello everyone! I am reading that you can grow hops in a cold place like Canada! My mom has a green thumb and I’m sure can find space on our land for hops to be grown. Can anyone give me a lead on where I can get the roots for this? thnx!!! Ross vignale

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Found a great place! Cheap too! Unfortunatly Goodwood ontario is around THUNDER BAY!!!! Too far for me to drive!

Not unless they moved it recently . Probably just under an hour’s drive. From Caledon, South on 10, East on 7 to Markham, North on 48 to Ringwood, East on 47 to Goodwood. Richters had 5 varieties when I bought mine a few years ago. Cascade, Willamette, Hallertau, Mt. Hood and Nugget. Ross

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What glass to serve barleywine?

admin — Mon, 15 Apr 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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may have had a few the night I wrote my last post. Didnt mean to.

"I Think this started out as a decent thread but has then fallen to too many brews and too little grey matter. Hows your liver today."

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No problem Paul. I laughed when I read you account of a customer putting root beer into the Imperial Stout. I gave a bottle of mead to a friend, and they mixed it with 7-Up. Yikes! Tell us some more about your brewpub. I think that is every homebrewers dream to own a brewpub, or micro-brewery. Allan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Point taken Allan, Im sure there are lots of great guys/gals here. Im not an anal serious type at all, I have to deal with a brewpub and too often deal with people wanting barleywine in pints and weizen on all winter. They also wonder why i dont brew their favorite, a foo foo fruit beer, or tell me the green chili beer is the best beer I make. So have heard most all of it and may have had a few the night I wrote my last post. Although most my beers go in a standard pint the barley wine and imperial stout go in brandy snifters. Belgian tripple is being served from a stem tulip glass and saison and dopple bock goes in a stem pilsner style glass. My regulars order a barley wine and a pint at the same time to alow the bw to come to temp properly. We also have vintages of big beers as far back as 95 and they are also served properly. And for some a styrofoam cup will do. Had to even walk away from a couple who were mixing root beer and imperial stout, could have seen the blood running from my mouth as I bit my tongue on that one. So seen it done it, and appoligies if I stepped on toes. Didnt mean to. Sincerly Paul

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Given that this story included the following phrases: veterinarian clinic catheter tube down her throat If it’s not an urban legend, it should should qualify for a Darwin award.

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My first barleywine is a long ways off (I’m thinking maybe Christmas/ New Years 2003). But I may need to start preparing now if I need some new stemware. What is the appropriate glass to serve such a thing in? I was thinking maybe one of those Belgian-style goblets. I just can’t see chugging one of these things out of a bottle. – David Schmidt

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My choice for barley wines and Imperial Stouts is a brandy snifter…about 6oz or so. Mike

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Years ago while watching Lifestyles of the rich and shameless, Robin Leach asked the heir to the Chateu Lafytte Rothchild winery "how is the proper way to drink wine" He replied "anyway you like it with ice without, hot, cold, in a glass, in a bottle" — George Daher Katy, TX "Life is good, Beer is better, Prost!!!" www.geocities.com/sgdaher/brewery

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Point taken Allan, Im sure there are lots of great guys/gals here. Im not an anal serious type at all, I have to deal with a brewpub and too often deal with people wanting barleywine in pints and weizen on all winter. They also wonder why i dont brew their favorite, a foo foo fruit beer, or tell me the green chili beer is the best beer I make. So have heard most all of it and may have had a few the night I wrote my last post. Although most my beers go in a standard pint the barley wine and imperial stout go in brandy snifters. Belgian tripple is being served from a stem tulip glass and saison and dopple bock goes in a stem pilsner style glass. My regulars order a barley wine and a pint at the same time to alow the bw to come to temp properly. We also have vintages of big beers as far back as 95 and they are also served properly. And for some a styrofoam cup will do. Had to even walk away from a couple who were mixing root beer and imperial stout, could have seen the blood running from my mouth as I bit my tongue on that one. So seen it done it, and appoligies if I stepped on toes. Didnt mean to. Sincerly Paul – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Same way you drink fancy wine- from a mason jar. Flintstone jelly jars work real nice too. And I wonder why I dont frequent the newsgroups on beer. Guess I feed the habit being a pub brewer with 10 beers on tap but none of my lifes stories start with, "Man you should have seen how much I drank that night". Just my opinion and like my asshole you may not want either Paul PS I Think this started out as a decent thread but has then fallen to too many brews and too little grey matter. Hows your liver today.

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I think the respondents forgot to include the smiley face after their post. They were JOKING Paul. You won’t find a more responsible group of beer drinkers than the people on this newsgroup. The people here brew beer because they like the taste and challenge of brewing awesome beer. They don’t brew beer to get wasted. That’s what alt.beer newsgroup is for. Allan Dobler – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Same way you drink fancy wine- from a mason jar. Flintstone jelly jars work real nice too. And I wonder why I dont frequent the newsgroups on beer. Guess I feed the habit being a pub brewer with 10 beers on tap but none of my lifes stories start with, "Man you should have seen how much I drank that night". Just my opinion and like my asshole you may not want either Paul PS I Think this started out as a decent thread but has then fallen to too many brews and too little grey matter. Hows your liver today.

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Same way you drink fancy wine- from a mason jar. Flintstone jelly jars work real nice too.

And I wonder why I dont frequent the newsgroups on beer. Guess I feed the habit being a pub brewer with 10 beers on tap but none of my lifes stories start with, "Man you should have seen how much I drank that night". Just my opinion and like my asshole you may not want either Paul PS I Think this started out as a decent thread but has then fallen to too many brews and too little grey matter. Hows your liver today.

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While still in college and on a canoe trip about 11 am one day I bonged 3/4 of a fifth of George Dickel after having drank 8 or 9 beers that morning since about 7 am. I woke up about 6 pm after having passed out almost immediately. Not a shining day, nor an intelligent act. I did not get sick, but I felt very, very bad until the next day. I do not, repeat do not, suggest anyone else ever try that trick. I was lucky I didn’t die. I had a very fast metabolism, and I really think that is all that kept the reaper from having his way. Don’t try this at home, in a canoe, or ever!!! I cannot stand the sight of George to this day, and his buddy Jack while in the liquor cabinet, is strickly for guests. Another quick note, last night I saw a spring break show where the kids were bonging beers (Keystone Light IIRC). I was having one of my ESB’s at the time, and my thoughts at the time was I’d like to see one of you spring breakers try to bong this beer! You’d wake up, feel something cold on your shoulder, and realize it was the floor!!! Cheers, Mike

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Why do most horrible drinking stories usually start like this? :-) Allan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – While still in college … Cheers, Mike

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Same way you drink fancy wine- from a mason jar.

Flintstone jelly jars work real nice too.

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Why do most horrible drinking stories usually start like this? :-)

ALL my best stories start with: "And we was drinkin’ and…." Sometime I should tell the story about the time we went in search of a beer in a brown can…. Cheers, Mike

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Drank my last bottle of Jack Daniels (repeat: LAST) in about 20 minutes, near as I can tell (I certainly can’t remember anything after the first 20 oz glass). Jack and similar Sour Mash Whiskeys are permanently off the list. One should never drink to forget a woman – I could still remember her vividly for all five days of that hangover. Thankfully, I now know that she was a waste of time, and more importantly – I can cozy up to a quality bourbon, again. For a long time it was guilt by association. But NO more JD! I will get to delve into my ESB tonight for the first time. No beer bongs, just sipping and slipping into oblivion… – Chris

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is probably in the urban myth category, but I heard about an employee at a local veterinarian clinic who hooked up a catheter tube to a bottle of Jack Daniels, stuck the tube down her throat and then woke up a few days later…wonder what kind of burp you could get doing that with a beer? Kids, don’t try this at home… While still in college and on a canoe trip about 11 am one day I bonged 3/4 of a fifth of George Dickel after having drank 8 or 9 beers that morning since about 7 am. I woke up about 6 pm after having passed out almost immediately. Not a shining day, nor an intelligent act. I did not get sick, but I felt very, very bad until the next day. I do not, repeat do not, suggest anyone else ever try that trick. I was lucky I didn’t die. I had a very fast metabolism, and I really think that is all that kept the reaper from having his way. Don’t try this at home, in a canoe, or ever!!! I cannot stand the sight of George to this day, and his buddy Jack while in the liquor cabinet, is strickly for guests. Another quick note, last night I saw a spring break show where the kids were bonging beers (Keystone Light IIRC). I was having one of my ESB’s at the time, and my thoughts at the time was I’d like to see one of you spring breakers try to bong this beer! You’d wake up, feel something cold on your shoulder, and realize it was the floor!!! Cheers, Mike

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I bought a weisse bier glass a few years ago, having no idea what it was, just that it was a big-ass goblet looking thing. That’s a great glass for any aromatic beer, or any over-carbonated beer… I suppose the only wrong way to serve a barley wine would be with one of those baseball hats with the beer holder and straw attachment, but even that could be kind of fun. Scott

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I suppose the only wrong way to serve a barley wine would be with one of those baseball hats with the beer holder and straw attachment, but even that could be kind of fun.

That sounds like the Bloatarian Brewing League’s executive meeting. . . . — Dan Listermann Check out our E-tail site at http://www.listermann.com Take a look at the anti-telemarketer forum. It is my new hobby! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Scott

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This is probably in the urban myth category, but I heard about an employee at a local veterinarian clinic who hooked up a catheter tube to a bottle of Jack Daniels, stuck the tube down her throat and then woke up a few days later…wonder what kind of burp you could get doing that with a beer? Kids, don’t try this at home… Scott – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I suppose the only wrong way to serve a barley wine would be with one of those baseball hats with the beer holder and straw attachment, but even that could be kind of fun. That sounds like the Bloatarian Brewing League’s executive meeting. . . . — Dan Listermann Check out our E-tail site at http://www.listermann.com Take a look at the anti-telemarketer forum. It is my new hobby! Scott

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That’s mine too. I like a really large snifter, though. I’m not sure how many ounces, but the one I usually use is filled maybe 1/3 (height, not volume) with a 12 oz. bottle. It really concentrates the aroma. Mark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My choice for barley wines and Imperial Stouts is a brandy snifter…about 6oz or so. Mike

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Mmmmm. You guys have convinced me… brandy snifter it is. Time to hit the outlet stores… – David – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Since BW’s don’t hold the carbonation well, I like the brandy snifter as well in order to get a better nose from the beer. At the pub I brew at we sell the barley wine and Imperial Stout in a 10oz brandy snifter. It allows you to caress the glass with both hands and warm the brew if it a bit too cold yet. Very nice presentation.

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Same way you drink fancy wine- from a mason jar. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My first barleywine is a long ways off (I’m thinking maybe Christmas/ New Years 2003). But I may need to start preparing now if I need some new stemware. What is the appropriate glass to serve such a thing in? I was thinking maybe one of those Belgian-style goblets. I just can’t see chugging one of these things out of a bottle. – David Schmidt

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I’ve heard that putting it into your mouth and swallowing it was the ONLY proper way (from a monk in a German castle). — [Apparent Rennerian 567.7, 95.9] Al – rukbat at optonline dot net

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At the pub I brew at we sell the barley wine and Imperial Stout in a 10oz brandy snifter. It allows you to caress the glass with both hands and warm the brew if it a bit too cold yet. Very nice presentation. Proost (_)3 Paul

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Since BW’s don’t hold the carbonation well, I like the brandy snifter as well in order to get a better nose from the beer. Burp, -Dan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My first barleywine is a long ways off (I’m thinking maybe Christmas/ New Years 2003). But I may need to start preparing now if I need some new stemware. What is the appropriate glass to serve such a thing in? I was thinking maybe one of those Belgian-style goblets. I just can’t see chugging one of these things out of a bottle. – David Schmidt At the pub I brew at we sell the barley wine and Imperial Stout in a 10oz brandy snifter. It allows you to caress the glass with both hands and warm the brew if it a bit too cold yet. Very nice presentation. Proost (_)3 Paul

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I was at Triple Rock in Berkeley several years ago. They served the barleywine in a pint glass. IMHO that is a fine glass. I had 4 pints and barley was able to ride my bike back to my apartment in El Cerrito. I suppose the ideal glass for a barleywine is a yard. It is the ideal glass for any good beer. Greg

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Michael Jackson’s Ultimate Beer book has pictures of different beers with their glassware. I would most likely look for a small goblet if I wanted to be PC. I usually use either a tasting glass, or an Imperial Pint glass… Cheers, Mike